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#120
by
R.O.R-2.0
on 09 Aug, 2012 12:45
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thats a "mk2" but still a mk1, in terms of chassis..
the suspension is identical in every way to a mk1..
That is the case for most roccos including my old red one above, but only if they are still running the original suspension components.
Count the wheel studs. 
does 4 extra lug studs make it NOT a mk1?
that car is a mk1, nothing will change that..
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#121
by
8v-of-fury
on 09 Aug, 2012 12:51
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thats a "mk2" but still a mk1, in terms of chassis..
the suspension is identical in every way to a mk1..
That is the case for most roccos including my old red one above, but only if they are still running the original suspension components.
Count the wheel studs.
does 4 extra lug studs make it NOT a mk1?
that car is a mk1, nothing will change that..
but if he changed the only thing delegating it as an mk1.. then is it an mk1 anymore?
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#122
by
R.O.R-2.0
on 09 Aug, 2012 12:58
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it was born a mk1, its always going to be a mk1.
just because you have a sex change, does it actually change your gender? NO..
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#123
by
RabbitJockey
on 09 Aug, 2012 13:14
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looks like it actually has a subframe under it, look how wide the track is up front
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#124
by
R.O.R-2.0
on 09 Aug, 2012 13:21
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ITS STILL A MK1
what makes this in any way, a mk2?
a mk2 rocco is still a mk1 in every single way..
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#125
by
RabbitJockey
on 09 Aug, 2012 19:18
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I didn't really mention what its classified as, but it you want to get technical it's always a mkii scirocco which is built on the a1 chassis and it will always be a mkii a1 ;^p
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#126
by
8v-of-fury
on 09 Aug, 2012 19:36
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I didn't really mention what its classified as, but it you want to get technical it's always a mkii scirocco which is built on the a1 chassis and it will always be a mkii a1 ;^p
If its the second generation scirocco, then it is an mk2. But yes, on an A1 chassis setup lol.
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#127
by
libbydiesel
on 09 Aug, 2012 20:07
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Is an '83 vanagon with a 98 AHU a Mk1 or Mk2? What about an '84 vanagon with an AAZ or a '91 with an 01 ALH?
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#128
by
danster
on 10 Aug, 2012 09:46
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Goodness me, muchos discussion and contentious issues abound!
Now thinking about this some more, a mk2 Rocco does use mk1 Golf suspension components. However the "chassis" where these components bolt to is different from a mk1 Golf in certain areas. EG. front inner wings and longer front chassis legs.
I only posted the red Rocco because it is most definitely a mk2 Rocco, and the thread title asks for mk2 turbo diesels.
However if a car is now defined solely by the suspension components it utilises then the flood gates are now open to include the Corrado (4 lug
) and even a
mk1 Seat Toledo, and the Polo Classic which is based on the Seat Ibiza 6K model. LOL
My green car utilises a hybrid conversion of mk3 Golf GTI (or Corrado 5 lug for that matter) front upright / wheel bearing housing and brakes. Longer driveshafts and some other bespoke suspension components to marry the lot together. It does not use the complete subframe assembly from a mk2 Golf, mk3 Golf, or Corrado. Oh, and to throw another spanner in the works I believe a Corrado is based on a Passat.
It's Friday night, so everyone grab a beer and lets discuss vehicle structures and components to conclude just what specific parameters determine legitimate acceptance to belong in this thread. LOL
Edit: (I am sure a moderator can create a thread split if required.)
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#129
by
R.O.R-2.0
on 10 Aug, 2012 10:05
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the Corrado is VERY MUCH a mk2 car..
its got an 02A, thats about all the similarities it has with a passat..
if you have never seen a Corrado before, but know mk2s, then you will INSTANTLY see the similarities between the mk2 golf/jetta, and the Rado..
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#130
by
libbydiesel
on 10 Aug, 2012 11:55
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Yeah, but what about the vanagon pre and post '86?
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#131
by
R.O.R-2.0
on 10 Aug, 2012 12:06
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Yeah, but what about the vanagon pre and post '86?
they never really changed the actual vehicle did they? just the front fascia and such?
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#132
by
libbydiesel
on 10 Aug, 2012 15:05
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There were quite a few changes. The most notable being that the engine size went from 1.9L to 2.1L and they added the Syncro 4WD option. Smaller changes included upgrading the suspension, the sliding door, interior ventilation and more bells and whistles became available like heated seats and adjustable arm rests and some became standard like A/C.
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#133
by
RabbitJockey
on 10 Aug, 2012 16:40
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aren't vanagons for old men?
i dunno where i'd place a corrado, it is very much a cut down passat, but very much a mk2, when you are comparing wiring, interior bits, door handles and such, the corrado shares way more with a passat. but i believe the passats subframe is a bit different? isn't the rear end of the corrado basically all passat tho?
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#134
by
libbydiesel
on 10 Aug, 2012 18:22
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aren't vanagons for old men?
No, they're for SMART men with funds.
While it's true that the preponderance of vanagon drivers are definitely older than the average driver of a Mk2 Golf/Jetta, the reason for that is fairly straightforward. It's just that men get smarter as they get older, the smart ones get more funds and more of the dumb ones get killed off by their own stupidity. Where a totally clean Mk2 with all the bells and whistles might max out at $8-10,000. A similarly clean and tricked out vanagon with all the bells and whistles now sells for $40-80,000. With all of that in mind, while there are more older vanagon drivers than young ones, you don't have to be old to be smart and have means.