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#15
by
53 willys
on 05 Oct, 2008 20:38
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Mark I have a spare GP relay you can look at for this project.
Personally I think using a stock relay running a ford starter relay is the best way to go.
thanks Dan! I may just take you up on that...I think I can get this beast fired up this week..so I will need a GPR....
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#16
by
blackdogvan
on 05 Oct, 2008 20:51
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Isn't it the case that the dedicated LED circuitry lies, and you are better off monitoring straight off the bus bar/s
Ya know when it went in I didn't trust the LED bit & went to the bus bar! Good memory!!
As for the gasser relay base I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same.
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#17
by
zukgod1
on 06 Oct, 2008 10:08
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Maybe that car you found @ the PnP had a relay?
Those things are spendy!!!
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#18
by
53 willys
on 06 Oct, 2008 10:10
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Maybe that car you found @ the PnP had a relay?
Those things are spendy!!!
no it's not there
I checked..all the relays had been pulled..the ones left on the seat did not seem to be the same style as the ones I have seen....
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#19
by
zukgod1
on 06 Oct, 2008 11:03
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figures
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#20
by
mk2diesel
on 06 Oct, 2008 18:02
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Ford glow plugs are 10.5 V units that big twisted bit of metal is a dropping resistor ( restricts the amount of MAX amperage to the plugs )
the 2 systems are not compatible ... its quite easy to hook up a VW glow plug relay without the temp sensor ( gives max heat time without it) the glow plug indicator bulb must be hooked between the B+ and the relay to indicate correctly ( not to ground ) each tiome you hit the starter, the relay drops out and then back in for 10 seconds after the key is relaesed.
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#21
by
arb
on 07 Oct, 2008 12:48
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I'm gonna keep that relay cause I am keeping my in-tank transfer pump as a diesel lift pump..so I dont want to try and wire it into the VW fuse box.
87 - 94 Ford's are likely to be fuel injected... This means your in tank pump is likely to be a high pressure pump. This will be a real problem for your IP as far as timing is concerned, maybe seals as well - or so it is said. You might want to check the pressure - I don't think the IP will tollerate much more than 3 - 4 PSI. Every in-tank pump I've seen is at least 20x that amount.
On my conversion I removed the in tank pump and by-passed it keeping the fuel gauge sending unit:
http://www.vwdiesel.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=15633&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45
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#22
by
zukgod1
on 07 Oct, 2008 13:51
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I'm gonna keep that relay cause I am keeping my in-tank transfer pump as a diesel lift pump..so I dont want to try and wire it into the VW fuse box.
87 - 94 Ford's are likely to be fuel injected... This means your in tank pump is likely to be a high pressure pump. This will be a real problem for your IP as far as timing is concerned, maybe seals as well - or so it is said. You might want to check the pressure - I don't think the IP will tollerate much more than 3 - 4 PSI. Every in-tank pump I've seen is at least 20x that amount.
On my conversion I removed the in tank pump and by-passed it keeping the fuel gauge sending unit:
http://www.vwdiesel.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=15633&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45
The in tank pump isn't high pressure.
He's referring to his GLI here not the Ford. The relay he is refering to is the OE fuel pmp relay in the GLI.
The high pressure pump is where our water separators would be and he has removed that.
Also the IP will not only handle more than 3-4psi but it will like it as well.
Giles has even commented on this somewhere on this board.
I'm running 12 psi currently, give me a really good dynamic advance.
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#23
by
arb
on 08 Oct, 2008 06:56
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WOW ! My understanding was contrary. OK, I'll have to test this when I start driving my conversion soon. My electronic lift pump is switched and I only installed it to quickly bleed air from the lines when new or if I ran out of fuel due to fuel gauge malfunction - something that's happened to me.
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#24
by
53 willys
on 08 Oct, 2008 07:10
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Vw's intank pump (transfer pump) is 6-7 psi...that is what mine tested at anyway.
I may end up ditching the oem pump after all and running a "raptor lift pump" I pulled the ECM out of the car last night and i'm pretty sure the ECM is what controls the transfer pump......
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#25
by
Mark(The Miser)UK
on 08 Oct, 2008 07:10
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Isn't it the case that the dedicated LED circuitry lies, and you are better off monitoring straight off the bus bar/s
Ya know when it went in I didn't trust the LED bit & went to the bus bar! Good memory!!
As for the gasser relay base I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same.
Yep it's the same base. There is about 3 wires to move/reuse. I have a list somewhere
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#26
by
53 willys
on 08 Oct, 2008 07:13
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Isn't it the case that the dedicated LED circuitry lies, and you are better off monitoring straight off the bus bar/s
Ya know when it went in I didn't trust the LED bit & went to the bus bar! Good memory!!
As for the gasser relay base I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same.
Yep it's the same base. There is about 3 wires to move/reuse. I have a list somewhere
man that would be some good info to post up if you got it??
it looks like it's missing the glow plug light spade/connection at my quick glance I took...
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#27
by
arb
on 08 Oct, 2008 07:40
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#28
by
zukgod1
on 08 Oct, 2008 07:44
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Also the IP will not only handle more than 3-4psi but it will like it as well.
Giles has even commented on this somewhere on this board.
I'm running 12 psi currently, give me a really good dynamic advance.
Can you point me to these posts by Giles where he says a high pressure lift pump is a good thing ? I found just the opposite when I searched...
http://vwdiesel.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=12976&highlight=lift+pump+high+pressure+timing+giles
You need to read the thread you linked again, Giles dosnt say running a lift pump is bad he's saying it's not needed if your vane pump is good.
I'm not searching for a thread I read once sorry. I dont have time and if you dont belive me pick up the phone and call Giles.
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#29
by
arb
on 08 Oct, 2008 08:33
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Also the IP will not only handle more than 3-4psi but it will like it as well.
Giles has even commented on this somewhere on this board.
I'm running 12 psi currently, give me a really good dynamic advance.
Can you point me to these posts by Giles where he says a high pressure lift pump is a good thing ? I found just the opposite when I searched...
http://vwdiesel.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=12976&highlight=lift+pump+high+pressure+timing+giles
You need to read the thread you linked again, Giles dosnt say running a lift pump is bad he's saying it's not needed if your vane pump is good.
I'm not searching for a thread I read once sorry. I dont have time and if you dont belive me pick up the phone and call Giles.
No worries - I just thought maybe you had it book marked :-)
Like I said, I'll have to do some numberic testing w/ and w/o my pump.