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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: carrizog60 on December 12, 2011, 02:04:25 pm
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hello
like title says,whats is the biggest hp,that can show dyno of it or other proof,that people achieved on vw idi engines?
nordic folks seem to achieve good numbers,time to start sharing those numbers. 8)
in portugal high performance diesels are 99% tdi engines(with more than 300hp),old idi are left with mild mods and people dont have faith that they can achieve good numbers,140/150 seems to be the limit out here,but i want to show them that there is something more than direct injection ;D
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no idea but this thread has potential :)
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Dave 935racer made 194whp with 50 trim t3/t4 and a dinky 9mm Giles pumP
Josh powered by spearco did 180whp with a 10mm pump and Mercedes 45 trim t3 he did 191 with nitrous he also had a dunk of over 270 with nitrous but I don't think he trusted it cause he has 191whp in his sig. Both these cars were 1.6 with 1.9 head
Mjf did over 200whp before with some weird 1.7 engine he built I forget what turbo was on
And aki_76 or something I believe did close to 300 with an aaz. If I wasn't on my phone I'd post links. Ive seen this brought up before but I don't remember there being a thread dedicated to it tho. If u check the FAQ there is a dyno thread
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I bet if Dave's engine hadn't taken a crap and he was able to pt a 10,11, or 12mm pump head on it he could have made a lot more power cause the turbo he was using was huge and apparently it spooled for him even with the small pump
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I bet if Dave's engine hadn't taken a crap and he was able to pt a 10,11, or 12mm pump head on it he could have made a lot more power cause the turbo he was using was huge and apparently it spooled for him even with the small pump
I want links and I want to know how to do this. Please. Thx.
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Dave 935racer made 194whp with 50 trim t3/t4 and a dinky 9mm Giles pumP
Josh powered by spearco did 180whp with a 10mm pump and Mercedes 45 trim t3 he did 191 with nitrous he also had a dunk of over 270 with nitrous but I don't think he trusted it cause he has 191whp in his sig. Both these cars were 1.6 with 1.9 head
Mjf did over 200whp before with some weird 1.7 engine he built I forget what turbo was on
And aki_76 or something I believe did close to 300 with an aaz. If I wasn't on my phone I'd post links. Ive seen this brought up before but I don't remember there being a thread dedicated to it tho. If u check the FAQ there is a dyno thread
What Mercede's was that turbo from?
Most were around a "42 trim" and t-25 (t2 platform) like the one I just had rebuilt, from a 300d 2.5 (1992)
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Dave 935racer made 194whp with 50 trim t3/t4 and a dinky 9mm Giles pumP
Josh powered by spearco did 180whp with a 10mm pump and Mercedes 45 trim t3 he did 191 with nitrous he also had a dunk of over 270 with nitrous but I don't think he trusted it cause he has 191whp in his sig. Both these cars were 1.6 with 1.9 head
Mjf did over 200whp before with some weird 1.7 engine he built I forget what turbo was on
And aki_76 or something I believe did close to 300 with an aaz. If I wasn't on my phone I'd post links. Ive seen this brought up before but I don't remember there being a thread dedicated to it tho. If u check the FAQ there is a dyno thread
What Mercede's was that turbo from?
Most were around a "42 trim" and t-25 (t2 platform) like the one I just had rebuilt, from a 300d 2.5 (1992)
josh doesnt like his turbo much, he wants something else, the mercedes turbo is a BAD match for the 1.6, and even the 1.6/1.9
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I think part of the recipe for high HP with an IDI is high RPMs. I'm working towards building a 1920cc 5-cylinder with a 77.4 mm stroke and 79.5 mm pistons. Probably one of the first over-square VW/Audi diesel engines ever.
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Dave 935racer made 194whp with 50 trim t3/t4 and a dinky 9mm Giles pumP
Josh powered by spearco did 180whp with a 10mm pump and Mercedes 45 trim t3 he did 191 with nitrous he also had a dunk of over 270 with nitrous but I don't think he trusted it cause he has 191whp in his sig. Both these cars were 1.6 with 1.9 head
Mjf did over 200whp before with some weird 1.7 engine he built I forget what turbo was on
And aki_76 or something I believe did close to 300 with an aaz. If I wasn't on my phone I'd post links. Ive seen this brought up before but I don't remember there being a thread dedicated to it tho. If u check the FAQ there is a dyno thread
What Mercede's was that turbo from?
Most were around a "42 trim" and t-25 (t2 platform) like the one I just had rebuilt, from a 300d 2.5 (1992)
its off an 80s 300 it's a 45 trim t3 with a .48 at exhaust housing. 42 is probably the compressor housing Ar which doesn't mean much do u have any pics or part numbers I'm curious what mercedes swapped to down the road
I think the problem with Josh's turbo is first of all the older Mercedes t3s had the older bigger turbine wheel which was heavier and of an older design that didn't spool as fast or flow as well the newer turbine which almost all t3s shared from our little vw diesel even up to the buick grand national. The second thing is it has I a .48 ar turbine housing which I don't think is a good match for the 45 trim compressor wheel on a 1.6 because the housing can way out flow the compressor so u lose spool time with out making up for it in the upper rpms with big up which is why I made a vw merc turbo hybrid but I haven't used it yet
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I want links and I want to know how to do this. Please. Thx.
It's a sticky in the FAQ
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=19591.0
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I think part of the recipe for high HP with an IDI is high RPMs. I'm working towards building a 1920cc 5-cylinder with a 77.4 mm stroke and 79.5 mm pistons. Probably one of the first over-square VW/Audi diesel engines ever.
whats the stock specs?
and if you turn it too many RPMS, your gonna have to switch your fuel pump type.. the VE pump on my car only likes about 5500 rpms..
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I think with stronger springs for the plunger, the pump would be capable of spinning much higher reliable rpm's.
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I think part of the recipe for high HP with an IDI is high RPMs. I'm working towards building a 1920cc 5-cylinder with a 77.4 mm stroke and 79.5 mm pistons. Probably one of the first over-square VW/Audi diesel engines ever.
whats the stock specs?
and if you turn it too many RPMS, your gonna have to switch your fuel pump type.. the VE pump on my car only likes about 5500 rpms..
There aren't any stock specs really, since it's a combination of about 4 engines. Early 80's vintage Audi turbo gasser block with 79.5 mm bores and 11 mm head bolts, 77.4 mm crank from European-only 2.0 20V engine, 79.5 mm 1.9 TD-type pistons, 2.0 10V diesel head (have a NOS unit), Giles pump off my 100 Quattro, custom rods, etc. I have a new stock pump that I will probably put back on the 100 as I'm turning it into more of a winter go-anywhere-in-the-snow car. My Giles pump doesn't have the wax-stat timing advance hardware any longer, and that would be a nice feature in a cold weather car.
Probably the most interesting thing is the uber-short stroke. We all know how well the 1.5 revs. Now image that with a 77.4 mm stroke. ;D
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hello
like title says,whats is the biggest hp,that can show dyno of it or other proof,that people achieved on vw idi engines?
273hp/404nm (http://s659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/done/?action=view¤t=2004kw404nm.jpg) at crank. 1,6 with Holset HX35,
I´ve seen 1,6 254hp/513nm at wheels, I had dynosheet in hand, but he did not want it in public. HP peaked at 3900rpm.
My friend has 1,9 that was dynoed 256hp/447nm. I have dynosheet, but since he has removed it from web, I won't publish it either. Iirc it had Garret GT32 at that time, he changes the engine all the time so I don't remember for sure :D Now he has Schwitzer S2B and I'm waiting for new dyno...
Aki had ~250hp at dyno.
I had 223hp/~350nm (http://www.kotinet.com/matti.farm/Scirocco/img522.jpg) at crank, 1,7 bottom end and Garrett gt2359v. I´m now running stock bottom end 1,9NA with MB K14-2. Not dynoed at current specs, since 4wd dynos are not that common here. Estimating 180hp/350nm at crank. There is some strange blowby issues with engine (not related to power) and I'm ditching 1,9 for now and going with 2,5 TDI. Aiming for 300+hp/600nm.
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Dave 935racer made 194whp with 50 trim t3/t4 and a dinky 9mm Giles pumP
Josh powered by spearco did 180whp with a 10mm pump and Mercedes 45 trim t3 he did 191 with nitrous he also had a dunk of over 270 with nitrous but I don't think he trusted it cause he has 191whp in his sig. Both these cars were 1.6 with 1.9 head
Mjf did over 200whp before with some weird 1.7 engine he built I forget what turbo was on
And aki_76 or something I believe did close to 300 with an aaz. If I wasn't on my phone I'd post links. Ive seen this brought up before but I don't remember there being a thread dedicated to it tho. If u check the FAQ there is a dyno thread
IIRC it wasn't a Giles pump was it. I thought it was stock pump and nozzles. I could be wrong, but either way I know for sure it had the 9mm pump head.
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Yeah thats a giles 9mm pump
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I think part of the recipe for high HP with an IDI is high RPMs. I'm working towards building a 1920cc 5-cylinder with a 77.4 mm stroke and 79.5 mm pistons. Probably one of the first over-square VW/Audi diesel engines ever.
whats the stock specs?
and if you turn it too many RPMS, your gonna have to switch your fuel pump type.. the VE pump on my car only likes about 5500 rpms..
There aren't any stock specs really, since it's a combination of about 4 engines. Early 80's vintage Audi turbo gasser block with 79.5 mm bores and 11 mm head bolts, 77.4 mm crank from European-only 2.0 20V engine, 79.5 mm 1.9 TD-type pistons, 2.0 10V diesel head (have a NOS unit), Giles pump off my 100 Quattro, custom rods, etc. I have a new stock pump that I will probably put back on the 100 as I'm turning it into more of a winter go-anywhere-in-the-snow car. My Giles pump doesn't have the wax-stat timing advance hardware any longer, and that would be a nice feature in a cold weather car.
Probably the most interesting thing is the uber-short stroke. We all know how well the 1.5 revs. Now image that with a 77.4 mm stroke. ;D
i notice no difference between my 1.5 and 1.6... they both rev happily.. right up to 5500. no higher..
diesel doesnt burn fast, so you cant turn too many rpms, otherwise you will be pumping the diesel thru the motor before it can burn properly..
there is a flame speed to diesel, it DOES ignite/burn SLOWER than gasoline, and you can surpass it easily on one of these little diesels..
another thing to remember, the more rollers/bumps on the cam plate, the less ability to turn RPMS..
a 4 cylinder bosch VE pump can fuel to ~5500 rpms..
a 8 cylinder bosche VE pump can do roughly half the RPMS of the 4 cylinder pump, because it has twice as many bumps on the cam plate..
so, you may want to look into fitting an inline mercedes pump to your under square 2.0L 5 banger..
i would pursue that route anyways, if i were going to build an engine as custom as what you are talking, then retro-fitting an inline injection pump should be no big deal..
only thing you gotta worry about, is that the pump is set up to turn CCW.. the engine turns CW, but the pump is driven from the back of the cam, so its gotta be a CCW rotation pump.. if you even decide to use something OTHER than the VE pump on it now..
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Dave 935racer made 194whp with 50 trim t3/t4 and a dinky 9mm Giles pumP
Josh powered by spearco did 180whp with a 10mm pump and Mercedes 45 trim t3 he did 191 with nitrous he also had a dunk of over 270 with nitrous but I don't think he trusted it cause he has 191whp in his sig. Both these cars were 1.6 with 1.9 head
Mjf did over 200whp before with some weird 1.7 engine he built I forget what turbo was on
And aki_76 or something I believe did close to 300 with an aaz. If I wasn't on my phone I'd post links. Ive seen this brought up before but I don't remember there being a thread dedicated to it tho. If u check the FAQ there is a dyno thread
What Mercede's was that turbo from?
Most were around a "42 trim" and t-25 (t2 platform) like the one I just had rebuilt, from a 300d 2.5 (1992)
its off an 80s 300 it's a 45 trim t3 with a .48 at exhaust housing. 42 is probably the compressor housing Ar which doesn't mean much do u have any pics or part numbers I'm curious what mercedes swapped to down the road
I think the problem with Josh's turbo is first of all the older Mercedes t3s had the older bigger turbine wheel which was heavier and of an older design that didn't spool as fast or flow as well the newer turbine which almost all t3s shared from our little vw diesel even up to the buick grand national. The second thing is it has I a .48 ar turbine housing which I don't think is a good match for the 45 trim compressor wheel on a 1.6 because the housing can way out flow the compressor so u lose spool time with out making up for it in the upper rpms with big up which is why I made a vw merc turbo hybrid but I haven't used it yet
Superior turbo and injection just rebuilt this one with new wheels and centre section. Their tag: TB/02 HI/PO.
I suppose "HI/PO" is ment for the new wheels and compressor housing. Hotside is stamped .41 Ar.
I have no idea on inducer/exducer size on the hot/cold, it's much different from what I dropped off. They were also nice enough to put a pressure operated WG on it, as vac WG are on just about every benz.
When I dropped it off, this turbo had 421k Miles of abuse. The wheels were coked so bad you could hardly turn them by hand. It now looks better then new, and I can't wait to bolt it up!
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Ok I know around 1990 a lot of manufacturers switched to the t25 stuff like saab and many switched also to t2/t3 hybrids usually called a t28 and came in different trims and what not like nissan
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Any new records on this subject? :)
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Any new records on this subject? :)
Josh dyno'd 288whp on a 1.6 hybrid w/ merc turbo, and nitrous..
giles pump of course..
i think the dyno was a little bit off..
i know his truck is powerful, but i dont think its almost 300hp..
he doesnt even run 100mph in the quarter..
1600#s should do better than 100mph in the quarter w/ damn near 300hp..
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NOS is "cheating" in my book anyway. I've seen that dyno sheet and it looks a bit funny indeed.
How much boost are people pushing on the Frankens without failures in the long run?
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Any new records on this subject? :)
Josh dyno'd 288whp on a 1.6 hybrid w/ merc turbo, and nitrous..
giles pump of course..
i think the dyno was a little bit off..
i know his truck is powerful, but i dont think its almost 300hp..
he doesnt even run 100mph in the quarter..
1600#s should do better than 100mph in the quarter w/ damn near 300hp..
He does do 100mph in the quarter which is very fast for the et he had
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i know his truck is powerful, but i dont think its almost 300hp..
1600#s should do better than 100mph in the quarter w/ damn near 300hp..
In a caddy? If so how does one go about getting a caddy to 1600lbs?
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Where is his dynosheet?
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and if you turn it too many RPMS, your gonna have to switch your fuel pump type.. the VE pump on my car only likes about 5500 rpms..
i notice no difference between my 1.5 and 1.6... they both rev happily.. right up to 5500. no higher..
diesel doesnt burn fast, so you cant turn too many rpms, otherwise you will be pumping the diesel thru the motor before it can burn properly..
a 4 cylinder bosch VE pump can fuel to ~5500 rpms..
a 8 cylinder bosche VE pump can do roughly half the RPMS of the 4 cylinder pump, because it has twice as many bumps on the cam plate..
so, you may want to look into fitting an inline mercedes pump to your under square 2.0L 5 banger..
i would pursue that route anyways, if i were going to build an engine as custom as what you are talking, then retro-fitting an inline injection pump should be no big deal..
only thing you gotta worry about, is that the pump is set up to turn CCW.. the engine turns CW, but the pump is driven from the back of the cam, so its gotta be a CCW rotation pump.. if you even decide to use something OTHER than the VE pump on it now..
My 2.5 doesn't rev any less than a 1.6, stock for stock, probably better thanks to better manifolds. Might even be a good donor pump for a 2 liter?
I bet this is north of 300HP http://www.garaget.org/?car=165910&image=1572145 If you look close you can see the 2nd pump to keep up with the 2nd turbo.
If I'm reading right, this one, or one like it is over 350HP in 'safe' tune.
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Where is his dynosheet?
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=28825.45
Also I have seen a dyno sheet of a Mercedes diesel making over 500hp and revving to 7k peak power was still between 5-7k tho just like our engines
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Where is his dynosheet?
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=28825.45
Also I have seen a dyno sheet of a Mercedes diesel making over 500hp and revving to 7k peak power was still between 5-7k tho just like our engines
Those MB engines can't be compared at all with their totally different prechamber design, 4 valves per piston, inline pumps that handles crazy rpms and high fuel quantities, robustness+++
OM606 mid-engine Rabbit would be SICK!
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OM606 has been built to over 600 hp many times.
OM603 has been built very close to 600 hp many times.
Both are IDI engines...
As for the VAG 4-cyl IDI, this is at least documented:
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee303/TurboJanne/Jetta%20II%20TDIC/Dynolappuja/2004kw404nm-donen1pilkku6.jpg)
...in case you're wondering, that's 268.7 hp and 298 lb-ft.
It's a 1.6 diesel mk2 Golf with a 1.9 head and lots of other modifications. I know that dyno machine/software and it's not optimistic.
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It's odd none of the 1.6 engines seem to make much power until about 3500 and then it's an abrupt spike and a small plateau of power, is it just hOw the engine behaves or is slow spool the factor
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Where is his dynosheet?
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=28825.45
Also I have seen a dyno sheet of a Mercedes diesel making over 500hp and revving to 7k peak power was still between 5-7k tho just like our engines
Those MB engines can't be compared at all with their totally different prechamber design, 4 valves per piston, inline pumps that handles crazy rpms and high fuel quantities, robustness+++
OM606 mid-engine Rabbit would be SICK!
I just meant peak power was in the same range
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It's odd none of the 1.6 engines seem to make much power until about 3500 and then it's an abrupt spike and a small plateau of power, is it just hOw the engine behaves or is slow spool the factor
It's all down to turbo sizing. It's very difficult to make that sort of power on a 1.6 IDI without a BIG turbo.
I would like 220 hp with a broad power band myself.. And that's what I'm trying to do too.
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Any new records on this subject? :)
Josh dyno'd 288whp on a 1.6 hybrid w/ merc turbo, and nitrous..
giles pump of course..
i think the dyno was a little bit off..
i know his truck is powerful, but i dont think its almost 300hp..
he doesnt even run 100mph in the quarter..
1600#s should do better than 100mph in the quarter w/ damn near 300hp..
He does do 100mph in the quarter which is very fast for the et he had
he runs like 86 mph..
ive seen his time slips..
ive only seen one 100+ mph run..
josh himself will tell you he is no good at drag racing..
and idk if the truck is 1600#s or not..
my black 2dr rabbit was right around that tho.. very little interior..
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-z76N7iRVg# VAG IDI near 300
I know the Volvo owner. That Volvo has dynoed 297hp (I´ve seen the dynosheet). Stock internals, Holset HX40 Super and 12mm pump.
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Any new records on this subject? :)
Josh dyno'd 288whp on a 1.6 hybrid w/ merc turbo, and nitrous..
giles pump of course..
i think the dyno was a little bit off..
i know his truck is powerful, but i dont think its almost 300hp..
he doesnt even run 100mph in the quarter..
1600#s should do better than 100mph in the quarter w/ damn near 300hp..
He does do 100mph in the quarter which is very fast for the et he had
he runs like 86 mph..
ive seen his time slips..
ive only seen one 100+ mph run..
josh himself will tell you he is no good at drag racing..
and idk if the truck is 1600#s or not..
my black 2dr rabbit was right around that tho.. very little interior..
josh wrote in the same thread with the dynos that he was running 16's at 100mph. Which is the same trap speed Blake ran with his tdi rabbit and he was doing low 14s spinning his 175mm tires with ***ty 60 foot times, joshes 60 foot times were even worse but usually being bad at drag racing you will still have about the same trap speed
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Where is his dynosheet?
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=28825.45
Thanks, thats intresting. Seems high numbers for that turbo and trap speed, but I haven't seen how nitros work with idi before... For comparison, I ran 103mph with 200whp and 2300lbs (with driver) Scirocco.
It's odd none of the 1.6 engines seem to make much power until about 3500 and then it's an abrupt spike and a small plateau of power, is it just hOw the engine behaves or is slow spool the factor
It's spool factor. I've seen 1,6 254whp dynosheet where max power was at 3700.
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and idk if the truck is 1600#s or not..
my black 2dr rabbit was right around that tho.. very little interior..
My caddy is right around 2000lbs with very little interior, no a/c, no rear bumper. I was hoping someone had come up with a diet to get a caddy near 1600lbs.
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For what I wonder, a twin turbo seems the best idea. A super small k03 to boost off idle, and a huge k26 or bigger that can carry that power up past 3000 to redline. All while bypassing the k03 after it runs out of steam, early, like 2500.
You'd need a stout bottom end to handle high boost and fuel at low rpms, but damn does the k03 ever spool FAST.
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For what I wonder, a twin turbo seems the best idea. A super small k03 to boost off idle, and a huge k26 or bigger that can carry that power up past 3000 to redline. All while bypassing the k03 after it runs out of steam, early, like 2500.
You'd need a stout bottom end to handle high boost and fuel at low rpms, but damn does the k03 ever spool FAST.
and it becomes a HUGE restriction too..
you would need a BIG external wastegate to make a K03 work for compounds..
because MOST of the exhaust gasses will be bypassing the turbine, not going thru it..
i would think you would need the internal gate working good, and have a BIG external gate as well..
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i would think you would need the internal gate working good, and have a BIG external gate as well..
Oh, I thought that when I mentioned to use such a small turbo it was implied? ;)
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i would think you would need the internal gate working good, and have a BIG external gate as well..
Oh, I thought that when I mentioned to use such a small turbo it was implied? ;)
yea, but i mean something that is basically capable of flowing 100% of the exhaust capacity of the engine..
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You mean like an external wastegate? Lol if your already sdoing full custom it would be easy.
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Thats it! I'm gonna go and have the truck Dyno'd again at a different shop and hopefully the numbers will be proof of what I have.
I have done nothing to the truck since last dyno other than refill the nitrous bottle.
I'll get a video of first start, and at the dyno.
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let me know on your dyno run, I am pulling for you. I think with the nitrous anything is possible. I would really like to know what they charge you to use the dyno. I would like to dyno mine when the time comes.
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Thats it! I'm gonna go and have the truck Dyno'd again at a different shop and hopefully the numbers will be proof of what I have.
I have done nothing to the truck since last dyno other than refill the nitrous bottle.
I'll get a video of first start, and at the dyno.
No doubt it makes a lot of power 100mph trap speeds are proof of that. This should be interesting to see another plot tho, the low boost ones are the most interesting to me especially the high rpm ones :o
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Thats it! I'm gonna go and have the truck Dyno'd again at a different shop and hopefully the numbers will be proof of what I have.
I have done nothing to the truck since last dyno other than refill the nitrous bottle.
I'll get a video of first start, and at the dyno.
let me know when you dyno the truck again.. i want to be there to see it.
i know you can get slips from the dyno.. but i want to SEE it happen!
i have no doubt that your truck is powerful..
i just have a hard time believing 288 WHEEL horsepower..
another thing, anything i said, was not meant to piss you off..
your truck has all the right parts to make big power, thats for sure!
and for some reason i thought it ran like 86 mph trap speeds? please forgive me for being wrong..
SEE YOU AT PACIFIC WATERLANDS!! ;)
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Hahaha. NP for your remarks. I hope no one thought that I was yelling or got butt hurt about the comments.
I too want to see if and by how much difference the Dyno pulls are. Hey, my last posted numbers and charts could be skewed and way wrong, so I want to get it dyno'd again somewhere different.
I'll give a call if I have a date on the dyno and sure. Anyone can come watch. What do I have to loose? ::)
See ya at Waterland.
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Hahaha. NP for your remarks. I hope no one thought that I was yelling or got butt hurt about the comments.
I too want to see if and by how much difference the Dyno pulls are. Hey, my last posted numbers and charts could be skewed and way wrong, so I want to get it dyno'd again somewhere different.
I'll give a call if I have a date on the dyno and sure. Anyone can come watch. What do I have to loose? ::)
See ya at Waterland.
im really curious to see what your next dyno run says..
im gonna poop if it really makes 288whp..
ill bring some spare boxers tho, just in case!
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Kind of believe 288 it makes sense a 16v or something making that power would run high 12s but since 1.6 has a limited power band I can see why it wouldnt
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Which would run a faster e/t? A 1.6 with a huge turbo making 200+ hp with a narrow powerband or a quite less powerful VNT set up with more consistent powerband. Say maybe a vnt-20? I'm just asking here. So forgive the newbness. It might run a much lower trap speed but I'm just curious if it's possible to get a lower e/t than a 16 with 250hp.. Of course i'm still stuck in the mindset of gassers running 16's off of 150hp and substantially heavier cars... Not that my car runs or would ever be taken to the track if it did. Just curious haha.
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Question:
Which would run a faster e/t? A 1.6 with a huge turbo making 200+ hp with a narrow powerband or a quite less powerful VNT set up with more consistent powerband. Say maybe a vnt-20? I'm just asking here. So forgive the newbness. It might run a much lower trap speed but I'm just curious if it's possible to get a lower e/t than a 16 with 250hp.. Of course i'm still stuck in the mindset of gassers running 16's off of 150hp and substantially heavier cars... Not that my car runs or would ever be taken to the track if it did. Just curious haha.
Yes a much better et is possible, the 60 foot times were really bad its seems josh wilk be the first one to admit that and that's where u basically make or break your et times and the trap speeds usually stay in the same range. Some people may disagree but in a drag race the larger turbos going to be faster because launching aside u spend the majority of the time at higher rpms where the larger turbo will be most efficient. But a vnt20 is a big turbo so it probably wouldn't be all that different unless there was auto crossing or something with lots of acceleration and deceleration where the vnt technological can flex its muscles and show its superiority
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Hi,
in my experiency is all about the overall-powerband, which includes the gearbox and the tires. My AAZ Golf 2 MK II has actual 190 hp and still struggle to make better 1/8 or 1/4 time than in the time it has had 165 hp with a K14 turbo and instand boost. And please do not misunderstood me, i am realy happy with the way my S100 turbo spools and it is way of from being lagy, but due to the bigger inertia of the turbo shaft, it needs valuable longer to come back after shifting.
And to come back to the "overall-powerband", from the line my golf has exactly the same pace as an 2004 BMW E46 - 330D Touring with 5-speed autobox and 204 hp, whichs means that the BMW has 15 hp power gain and ~650 kg more weight, which should make my Golf way faster on paper. The different is that my gearbox-tire combination is not a perfect fit for my engine, the first gear is way to short (only spinning wheels) and the third gear is a bit to short, while the BMW autobox is a perfect fit for the engine and also did not have any valuable acceleration cuts during shifting, it is even hard to find shifting action in the g-force diagram. With my S100 in the Golf its takes between 0,6 s and 0,9 s before the g-force is fully back during shifting. From what i have calculated and measured i could make a second gear start with a sinter clutch, which should bring ~ 1,0 - 1,2 s lower et times.
As sum up, i try to say that instant boost and very low inertia turbo will valueable decrease your et time, mainly due to the fact the they come back very fast after shifting action.
Best Regards
Alleslowbuged, who do not feel that he was able to point out what he realy want do say.
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You are not power shifting?
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Very interesting discussion about power from VW IDI engines. There are certainly some very powerful (HP to displacement) engines that have been built by forum members around the globe. I think that this kind of innovation from individual gearheads is often more valuable than the R&D departments at major automotive manufacturers.
Over the last year or so, I have been working on a project to build a vehicle to run at the Bonneville salt flats (H/Diesel Truck class). I aim to make my record attempt at World Of Speed next summer, running a 1.5L VW IDI diesel, based on a 1.6L turbo block. I do not think for a moment that I will have built the highest HP 1.5L diesel anyone has ever built, but I do intend to be competitive against the existing record.
The racers at Bonneville refer to the track as the "Great White Dyno", and the dyno doesn't lie. During a run, the engine's power will eventually come to equilibrium with the rolling and aero drag forces. At a minimum, this type of racing requires multiple full-throttle pass over a 3 mile long course. That kind of effort requires sustained HP, not just a quick burst on a chassis dyno for 5 seconds, or a dragstrip run for 10-15 seconds. On the long course, a distance of 5 miles is covered, for vehicles that are capable of running over 175 mph after the 2nd mile.
There are several teams currently campaigning Streamliners who might very well be interested in running high-HP, small displacement diesel engines. For anyone who thinks they might have a competitive engine, you might want to check out www.Landracing.com to learn more or to hook up with a team who might be looking for a partner.
It's just interesting the way different folks think about HP application.
Thanks for reading my ramble.
Steve.
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Very interesting discussion about power from VW IDI engines. There are certainly some very powerful (HP to displacement) engines that have been built by forum members around the globe. I think that this kind of innovation from individual gearheads is often more valuable than the R&D departments at major automotive manufacturers.
Over the last year or so, I have been working on a project to build a vehicle to run at the Bonneville salt flats (H/Diesel Truck class). I aim to make my record attempt at World Of Speed next summer, running a 1.5L VW IDI diesel, based on a 1.6L turbo block. I do not think for a moment that I will have built the highest HP 1.5L diesel anyone has ever built, but I do intend to be competitive against the existing record.
The racers at Bonneville refer to the track as the "Great White Dyno", and the dyno doesn't lie. During a run, the engine's power will eventually come to equilibrium with the rolling and aero drag forces. At a minimum, this type of racing requires multiple full-throttle pass over a 3 mile long course. That kind of effort requires sustained HP, not just a quick burst on a chassis dyno for 5 seconds, or a dragstrip run for 10-15 seconds. On the long course, a distance of 5 miles is covered, for vehicles that are capable of running over 175 mph after the 2nd mile.
There are several teams currently campaigning Streamliners who might very well be interested in running high-HP, small displacement diesel engines. For anyone who thinks they might have a competitive engine, you might want to check out www.Landracing.com to learn more or to hook up with a team who might be looking for a partner.
It's just interesting the way different folks think about HP application.
Thanks for reading my ramble.
Steve.
Steve, you are too late for this year.. saw rigs headed to bonneville last night..
AF Dick had his F350 all loaded up on the trailer behind the semi.. hes going for over 300mph this year..
the Joint Venture freightliner is going for 400...
The AF Dick truck has a 12V92 Detroit, with a 3800 RPM governor..
2 big turbos, and 2 HUGE turbos, as well as the 2 superchargers as well..
70+ psi boost..
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I'm shooting for next year.
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And that Freightliner is extra-SICK!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FsxbGdhCi8
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Current record in AA/Diesel Truck, held by the AF Dick truck is 202 mph.
Current record in U/Modified Diesel Truck, held by Joint Venture is 228 mph.
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Current record in AA/Diesel Truck, held by the AF Dick truck is 202 mph.
Current record in U/Modified Diesel Truck, held by Joint Venture is 228 mph.
oh, i know..
he seems to think he will be able to go 300 this time tho..
and yes, the freightliner is the dopest dope..
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I'm headed to the dyno tomorrow on Friday after work. Speed Solutions is the shop with the Mustang Dyno.
So if anyone who wants to witness the carnage of the 200HP IDI limit ;D, come on down and watch. I should be there by 5pm.
I want to get both max readings with and with/o nitrous.
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Really looking forward to the dyno results! :) (there really should be a "like" button on this forum)
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i wish i was a little closer!! ;D
Be great to come and watch.
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try and pull to 6k woot woot. damn it, 5pm your time is what 8-9 for me? i'll be checking this forum as soon as i wake up saturday haha.
also i predict you can only make 52hp with nitrous because it is a vw idi diesel, thats all they can make.
do it for the poodle!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Trev0rbr/2ba19163.jpg)
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It aint happening today. Sorry guys! :-\
They had misscheduled my appointment and its being postponed till next week. They might call me for a stand by appointment if anyone cancels today.
So stay tuned.
"Try to pull to 6K", been there and done that, on accident.
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Boooooooo. And I was being serious about 6k, unless it sounds funny or makes no power there or u just don't like going that high cause it's ur car not mine
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A friend that I've helped with the hardware setup dyno'ed his ECOdiesel (stock 60bhp) today. Numbers are uncorrected at the hubs (Dynapack).
We didn't start the pull earlier than 3000rpm because he is a bit worried about his stock rods :P
173.5whp @ 5200rpm, 143 whp already at 3000rpm
336.4Nm (248.1ft lb) @ 3000rpm, but peak is earlier and higher
Just diesel, untouched stock 1.9D head, stock 1.6TD bottom end, pump and turbo is not stock ;)
(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz41/L4sse/IMAG0616.jpg)
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Monday at 4pm. I'm set up to run at Horse Power Freaks shop. They use a Dyno Dynamics dyno. So I'll report back with the numbers.
Wish me luck.
On a side note: I got the truck all washed up and some what presentable, as HPF usually play with big dollar vehicles.
I figured out what the nitrous jet equivalency in horse power is. I'm using a .042 jet which = 73-75 HP.
I also dialed in the Dyno Tune Progressive controller. Wow!!! It launches so much better now. I launch at 4K RPM! I'm sure the trap speed time and ET is way better.
For some reason I had it tuned on the conservative side. With a starting % of .05 and total time to 100% at 2.5 sec. Now its a starting % of .10 and a total time to 100% at 1.8 sec. RPM is set to start 2400.
Man, That made all the difference. I gotta check if theres late night drags for this weekend. If so, I'm going!
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instead of waiting all week to get to the digs to test stuff,ya aughta get a gtech.i love mine..i havent used it in a while but its def helped me when i put a huumongus turbo on my tdi-m and it told me i lost 1/2 a second in the quarter..i could feel that but it confirmed it...best 300 i ever spent..besides you can do alot of other stuff with it...0-60,braking,lateral g's...even put it up on your computer for more analyzing. ...just a suggestion from ol'hillfolk
oh btw..if you got your weight of the car itll plot you hp and tq curves.
i estimated my rabbits weight at 2k exactly
and it was sayin i had 142hp and 244ft pounds...thats net....both peaks around the 3k area give or take a few hundred rpm...and my best et was like 14flat...my best actual was 14.07...with some more adjusting on the gtech at a dragstrip,you could probably get it real close to your actual et....but id be more concerned with a gain or loss after doing an upgrade
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Hillfolk'r, thanks for the advice. My brother does have a G-Tec but its the first gen G-Tec., it shouldn't make a difference but yes, I'll try it and see what it says.
I have weighed the truck before. 2120# with me in it.
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A friend that I've helped with the hardware setup dyno'ed his ECOdiesel (stock 60bhp) today. Numbers are uncorrected at the hubs (Dynapack).
We didn't start the pull earlier than 3000rpm because he is a bit worried about his stock rods :P
173.5whp @ 5200rpm, 143 whp already at 3000rpm
336.4Nm (248.1ft lb) @ 3000rpm, but peak is earlier and higher
Just diesel, untouched stock 1.9D head, stock 1.6TD bottom end, pump and turbo is not stock ;)
wow don't leave us hanging... what turbo and pump???
im rooting for you joshy poo. show everyone up and do an extra hp or 2 from last time.
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i really hope he can build 300hp.. that beans i have someone close to me to help in my persuit of power as well..
i havent been smoking much lately tho..
been busy on other peoples cars..
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i really hope he can build 300hp.. that beans i have someone close to me to help in my persuit of power as well..
i havent been smoking much lately tho..
been busy on other peoples cars..
Gotta make the cheddar right? I noticed we haven't seen as much from you lately, getthatvnt squared and your pump built man we wanna see another car worthy of this thread, you've got the ingredients
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wow don't leave us hanging... what turbo and pump???
Turbo: Holset HE211W turbo with a 5cm^2 exhaust housing (the smaller brother of the more known HE221W)
Pump: 11mm superpump built by Dieselmeken in Sweden
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i really hope he can build 300hp.. that beans i have someone close to me to help in my persuit of power as well..
i havent been smoking much lately tho..
been busy on other peoples cars..
Gotta make the cheddar right? I noticed we haven't seen as much from you lately, getthatvnt squared and your pump built man we wanna see another car worthy of this thread, you've got the ingredients
im busy looking for work, and trying to move, and this, and that.. AND AND AND..
the never ending story of my life..
only work ive done to my diesel lately, is the work required to keep it running for when i need to drive more than 50 miles..
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i really hope he can build 300hp.. that beans i have someone close to me to help in my persuit of power as well..
i havent been smoking much lately tho..
been busy on other peoples cars..
Gotta make the cheddar right? I noticed we haven't seen as much from you lately, getthatvnt squared and your pump built man we wanna see another car worthy of this thread, you've got the ingredients
im busy looking for work, and trying to move, and this, and that.. AND AND AND..
the never ending story of my life..
only work ive done to my diesel lately, is the work required to keep it running for when i need to drive more than 50 miles..
as life goe sit gets worse haha i understand, i've had my coupe in pieces for years
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wow don't leave us hanging... what turbo and pump???
Turbo: Holset HE211W turbo with a 5cm^2 exhaust housing (the smaller brother of the more known HE221W)
Pump: 11mm superpump built by Dieselmeken in Sweden
do you know anymore about the turbo? i saw it listed on holsets website but i couldn't find any information about it other than that it exists. inducer and exducer sizes would be nice. it's sweet that the 5cm can flow that much power! i wonder if the larger pump heads are needed to help make good power below 4000rpms, it would make sense sbecause most tdi's make their power in that range and tdi people have said the hp limit of the 10mm pump is 150hp or so i believe. although idi's have proven the real limit is well over 200whp, but obviously at a much higher rpm. anyways that car must haul ass geez leave it to the scandinavians to know how to build fast small displacements diesels when they live in such a cool region where you'd think no one would even drive a diesel haha
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I've measured the wheels with a digital vernier myself, so numbers are not 100% accurate:
Compressor:
Exducer 56,0mm
Inducer 40,6mm
Trim 0.53
Turbine:
Inducer 46.6mm
Exducer 41.3mm
Trim 0.79
And a compressor map off course ;) I converted the mass axis to the more common lb/min:
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a345/Alcaid/HolsetHE211CompressorMap.jpg)
Pretty close to surge on a stock 1.6TD head, but easily solved by slacking off the preload on the wastegate somewhat (1 round on the adjusting nut). On the 1.9D/TD heads there is no sign of surge what so ever.
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Monday at 4pm. I'm set up to run at Horse Power Freaks shop. They use a Dyno Dynamics dyno. So I'll report back with the numbers.
Wish me luck.
On a side note: I got the truck all washed up and some what presentable, as HPF usually play with big dollar vehicles.
I figured out what the nitrous jet equivalency in horse power is. I'm using a .042 jet which = 73-75 HP.
I also dialed in the Dyno Tune Progressive controller. Wow!!! It launches so much better now. I launch at 4K RPM! I'm sure the trap speed time and ET is way better.
For some reason I had it tuned on the conservative side. With a starting % of .05 and total time to 100% at 2.5 sec. Now its a starting % of .10 and a total time to 100% at 1.8 sec. RPM is set to start 2400.
Man, That made all the difference. I gotta check if theres late night drags for this weekend. If so, I'm going!
results?????
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I've measured the wheels with a digital vernier myself, so numbers are not 100% accurate:
Compressor:
Exducer 56,0mm
Inducer 40,6mm
Trim 0.53
Turbine:
Inducer 46.6mm
Exducer 41.3mm
Trim 0.79
And a compressor map off course ;) I converted the mass axis to the more common lb/min:
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a345/Alcaid/HolsetHE211CompressorMap.jpg)
Pretty close to surge on a stock 1.6TD head, but easily solved by slacking off the preload on the wastegate somewhat (1 round on the adjusting nut). On the 1.9D/TD heads there is no sign of surge what so ever.
very good! where do you get these maps haha? It is interesting this turbo is similar in size to the gt2056/gt2256 alot of people are running
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Hi,
if you have the map also available with "kg/s" axis i would be very glad if you could post that also.
Best Regards
By the way i like this thread
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DAMN!! josh didnt post up the dyno sheet yet!!
he called me and told me all about it..
but im not gonna spoil it for everyone!
gotta wait till josh gets around to scanning/posting the dyno graph..
and we all know how busy josh is!!
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Today I just wish I still had his number haha
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Tell josh to forget about is wife and kids and report to us
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i think we have concluded, that joshes truck was infact a hoax from the beginning, from what i heard he is actually a nigerian who photoshopped the pictures in an internet cafe.
(http://www.africa-do-business.com/images/Internet-cafe-village.jpg)
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LOL
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i think we have concluded, that joshes truck was infact a hoax from the beginning, from what i heard he is actually a nigerian who photoshopped the pictures in an internet cafe.
Thought it was only rumors.. lol!
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i think we have concluded, that joshes truck was infact a hoax from the beginning, from what i heard he is actually a nigerian who photoshopped the pictures in an internet cafe.
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Thats funny! ;D
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So here is the results of a few pulls on the dyno.
First and foremost, I was not satisfied with the operators at HPF. Due to how they loaded my truck up on the dyno, all jacked up and crooked, how they strapped it down, loose, how they attempted to set up their optic sensor for RPM signal and the whole operation of the dyno, unexperienced with old school diesels. They're used to OBD2 ports. The operator let it compression brake from 6K RPM!!!
Also, after playing with the nitrous tuner on Sunday, I must have ran out of nitrous half way through a pull on the dyno, cuz it just didn't feel right. Not that i have excuses for the results but there is some issues with the way it was set up and I ran out of NO2.
This is with stock waste gate 11psi.
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/Scan.jpg)
This is is what I thought was 28psi.
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/Scan2.jpg)
Here is the nitrous and what was thought to be 24psi.
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/Scan3.jpg)
So there you have it. ::) It is a hoax! :P.
I plan to refill the bottle and try again, check my boost gauge for accuracy and test with the G-Tec.
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You got my 2.5liter on on HP, but not quite there with the torque yet:D
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Wow. Really?
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Spec says 112HP, 181 Ft/LB.
Between mods and wear, I am probably close to that.
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Hi,
are the dyno plots related to the: "'81 Caddy..Diesel 1.6/1.9 TD hybrid 275HP 349TQ " from your avatar, if yes do you have built thread here, were i can read about the details and last dyno plots?
I realy like the curve with 28 psi and without nitrous, because the power increase all the way up to 6000 rpm, which should give a very good feeling when you rev it really high. I mean the last curve will be even quicker, but you need nitrous and i think you could feel that the power is stable instead of increasing up to 4,5 krpm. And anyhow what you have expected or what is possible with more nitrous, these are very impressive numbers for a 1,6 IDI engine and hints to a high knowledge builder.
Best Regards
Alleslowbuged
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very good! where do you get these maps haha? It is interesting this turbo is similar in size to the gt2056/gt2256 alot of people are running
Similar in size, but the Holsets comes with a 360deg thrust bearing stock and they are made to last in high boost applications (wastegate settings of up to 29psi from factory on these HE211W turbos)
if you have the map also available with "kg/s" axis i would be very glad if you could post that also.
Holsets original maps measure mass flow in kg/s * sqrt(K/MPa), but I made one for you in kg/s ;)
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a345/Alcaid/HE211Wkgs.jpg)
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Hi Alcaid,
thanks for the map, as i expected the Holset compressor map is very close to the Schwitzer S100 i have use on my Golf MkII AAZ, only valuable different is that the Switzer comes with an anti surge compressor casing, so the map is enhanced on the left side. It is also very simlilar to the Schwitzer S2A i have used upfront the S100, only the S2A is trimmed for better efficency at higher boost, than the S100 and the Holset.
Yor map is for a Holset HE211W and that was bolt on the 1.6 IDI, from the dyno plot you post, correct? If yes, do you also have a turbo map for this turbo and are you able to plot the boost line in the compressor map and or post a boost versus engine speed diagramm?
Best Regards
Alleslowbuged
If you wand to see the Schwitzer maps, you can find them here: http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=24407.150
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Yor map is for a Holset HE211W and that was bolt on the 1.6 IDI, from the dyno plot you post, correct? If yes, do you also have a turbo map for this turbo and are you able to plot the boost line in the compressor map and or post a boost versus engine speed diagramm?
Yes, the map if for the HE211W and it was used on the 1.6TD that pulled 173whp on the dyno. I do not have a turbine map if that is what you ask for :(
He is running 2,2bar / 32psi boost, don't have a log of the boost response from the dyno run.
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165whp sounds about right for Mercedes turbo and 100mph trap speed.
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This is the thread I was looking for
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So, anyone anything new? Still waiting for Aki's build to finish. He had it running, but had some issues. And I believe that he has been busy with his friends 1,9 TDi that they dynoed at weekend. 1,9 tdi with 12mm pump. 392hp/581nm with diesel and 469hp/700nm with nitros. It ran high 11s at quarter, mk4 Golf variant 4motion.
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I am having turbo issues. That is all that is new, I bumped the thread to remember what these guys were using.
MJF what pump were you running?
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I had 12mm pump in Scirocco 1,7 and 10mm pump in both Audi engines. HP-Diesel has made all my pumps.
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from what models can we search for these turbos?(holsets,schwitzers)
mjf, dont know the whp but here in portugal there is a tdi making 10.88s
https://www.google.pt/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tuning.online.pt%2Fforum%2Fibiza-xx-am-motorsport-10-88-s-t158862.html&ei=djcuUoPpIebF7AbU5YHADg&usg=AFQjCNGWT6Oh6f8n2httqR0AHYMUVe_wqQ&bvm=bv.51773540,d.d2k
too bad IDI has not seen this kind of investment in here...
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I been playin with gtech and have been getting some numbers for my 1.9/1.6 head non turbo.
Almost as good as a stock td and the fuel isn't turned up beyond a good haze.
(http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii563/hillfolkvwdude/B9249B28-3AA2-4488-B699-F94E4771F094-921-00000187CA30BA39_zps3bcbe217.jpg)
(http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii563/hillfolkvwdude/74A64D43-3FA8-42F7-BE08-2656E4E51C48-921-00000187B92AA7F1_zpsad0d73fc.jpg)
(http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii563/hillfolkvwdude/2AD687DD-0084-4B3F-A1B4-AE89AE30AF94-921-00000187A94BC8C1_zps81728378.jpg)
I'm still learning what works. I shifted early into 5th and the tq number came up more.
Close ratio gearbox that's why.
(http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii563/hillfolkvwdude/1880091D-C24B-47B6-B7E2-E38511BE2D36-921-00000187571DA68C_zpse239df81.jpg)
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pretty neat. I want one.
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gtechs are sweet. the only thing with quartermile times is they don't include reaction time, and the trap speeds are high, but still give you a good idea of where you're at. those numbers are really good blake, would love to see what it would do with the governormod done to it. so you should try the old governor mod. especially now that we can have jeremy baby sit through out it haha.
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R/t doesn't matter As far as how fast a car is,you can sit there for an hour then launch.
I'll have to grab the book on it again and see because iirc it had a full drag mode and has a tree.
Yea the gov mod is on the list of 1000 things to do. I'm not nervous about doing it now it's been figured out.
It's definitely a performance advantage to run a close ratio on an na I believe if you can tolerate the revs.
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REvs aint no big thang lol
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The way sooty is right now with the short tires I rev like 4000 at about 60 mph.
I did a 250 mile trip, that does get a little old. The loud muffler doesn't help either.
Here's my buddy drivin it, lol he's doin maybe 75 or so, he said he was revvin 42-4400 steady.
http://youtu.be/zgkpaB3tyRs
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Damn, 4300?
That is intense. They're built for it, clearly. Still cool though.
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R/t doesn't matter As far as how fast a car is,you can sit there for an hour then launch.
I'll have to grab the book on it again and see because iirc it had a full drag mode and has a tree.
Yea the gov mod is on the list of 1000 things to do. I'm not nervous about doing it now it's been figured out.
It's definitely a performance advantage to run a close ratio on an na I believe if you can tolerate the revs.
Ive always liked WIDE ratio trannies on all my cars..
or a close ratio w/ 3.67 final drive..
my GTI w/ AUG, and VNT15 TD engine was quick as hell, but turned 3 grand going 60mph..
Boy, she was REALLY SINGIN at 75mph…
GOV MOD IS A MUST-DO mod on ANY VW DIESEL...
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Yea if ya have a turbo a wide ratio is fine, if it's na, it'll be a pig.
Of course the hiway sucks with a close ratio, but I pick up about 8 mph with normal size tires at the same cruise rpm. Only thing I could think that would be killer is that add on 6 speed for an na. But then,why? Too much money for that unless ya win the lottery.
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I', pretty happy with my 5 ratios, but I sure would not mind having one more gear on each end.
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This thread is about high hp IDIs, enough with the off topic!!! >:(
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Hi,
in my experiency is all about the overall-powerband, which includes the gearbox and the tires. My AAZ Golf 2 MK II has actual 190 hp and still struggle to make better 1/8 or 1/4 time than in the time it has had 165 hp with a K14 turbo and instand boost.. . .
Sorry for chiming in late here and hopefully not too off-topic but, how do you make 190 HP with a K14? I am running one now and have been told it's good for about 120 max HP. You must have much larger valves and a seriously ported head. Not doubting you, I really want to know. Does your K14 have modded impellers?
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I'm sure that I'm nowhere near the "Highest HP achieved", but just to put a mark on the board, my 1.5L IDI has made 167 HP, using a Dieselmeken pump, GT2056 turbo, and an AAZ cylinder head.
Steve
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Hi,
in my experiency is all about the overall-powerband, which includes the gearbox and the tires. My AAZ Golf 2 MK II has actual 190 hp and still struggle to make better 1/8 or 1/4 time than in the time it has had 165 hp with a K14 turbo and instand boost.. . .
Sorry for chiming in late here and hopefully not too off-topic but, how do you make 190 HP with a K14? I am running one now and have been told it's good for about 120 max HP. You must have much larger valves and a seriously ported head. Not doubting you, I really want to know. Does your K14 have modded impellers?
he was making 165 not 190hp.
eeven 165 is high for k14,atleast for a vw unit.
jetmug,you can get higher than that but is very good to have a 1.5 making good hp
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Hi,
the 190 hp, was make with a S2A turbo and a lot more mods, not with the K14.
Best Regards
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on another note from what cars can i search for a +180hp turbo? wastegated only
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http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=19591.0
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http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=19591.0
was that to me?dont understand...
i wanted to know from what cars can i pull the turbo for a +180hp buid.
european cars as i am from portugal...
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Little inspiration in here, I'm trying to hit 200whp in mine
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk
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My goal is 270-280whp later this year ;)
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My goal is 270-280whp later this year ;)
What type of setup are you running?
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Not up and running yet, but heavily modified 1.6TD with two turbos ;)
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I would be very surprised if you could keep the precups in the head at that power level, but I'll be rooting for you all the same!!