Audi 5cyl / Volvo D24 - crank damper tool, same?

[kcfoxie]

Hello,

I've acquired a D24 (NA) 82 Volvo 240. I know this and the Audi 5cyl are very similar, but the Volvo crank tool is basically unobtainable anymore. I have head and belt work records from 2008 - about 8k miles from current mileage (assuming the odo still works). I'm in the process of restoring this car, was sold to me "no running" and I've gotten it to crank up and at least reposition itself in my storage unit.

I'd like to have the crank tool so that the TB can be replaced -- I have the rear cam tool for the injection pump belt, that came with the car.

I found the 5cyl Audi tool online; but will that work on the D24? Does anyone know?

Thanks,
Chris

[bajacalal]

I'm not sure if they're the same... Do you have a picture of the Audi tool?

Do you have the means to cut and weld metal? I know someone who made one of these tools, it didn't look very hard to make at all. It's just a piece of steel tube with the slots cut into it at the appropriate places, and it has something like a jack handle welded onto it. I've also seen them on ebay (in the UK but can be shipped to the US).

[R.O.R-2.0]

Hello,

I've acquired a D24 (NA) 82 Volvo 240. I know this and the Audi 5cyl are very similar, but the Volvo crank tool is basically unobtainable anymore. I have head and belt work records from 2008 - about 8k miles from current mileage (assuming the odo still works). I'm in the process of restoring this car, was sold to me "no running" and I've gotten it to crank up and at least reposition itself in my storage unit.

I'd like to have the crank tool so that the TB can be replaced -- I have the rear cam tool for the injection pump belt, that came with the car.

I found the 5cyl Audi tool online; but will that work on the D24? Does anyone know?

Thanks,
Chris

well, being that you could get the D20 (Audi 2.0na/TD5) in the 240/740 in europe, i imagine its the same piece..

i know that the D24, and the D20 are basically identical engines, but minus 1 cylinder..

is it a flywheel lock, or what? post up a pic please..

BTW.. an audi 5cyl GAS flywheel lock SHOULD IN THEORY also work...

i LOVE legos! er, i mean *VOLKSWAGENS!!*

[bajacalal]

It holds the crank pulley so you can loosen the big crank bolt. Unlike the VW IDI, you cannot remove the crank pulley (for the accessory belts) to change the timing belt without removing the big nut. I think Hondas are similar in design (but use a totally different tool).

[kcfoxie]

I suppose I'll order the Audi tool and see. My dad can cut and weld metal, so worst case is have him make one for me. Good to know about the Audi 5 gas... I may see if a local shop has one of those and if so what the PN is. I know this thing cannot be so unique that it's impossible to locate a compatible tool given the number of engines that likely used the same pulley and bolt.

I'll post photos up as I go along, but I do have this video I can share:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIn2iLDqBAM (smokey, is this normal? I recall my dad's 1.6 IDI having some grey smoke when cold, I also don't know how long it's been since this thing has been started)

Foul language alert, you've been warned. I had no idea it would start (and then drive): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UimfjzT33Q0

[kcfoxie]

R.O.R.-2.0, you just hit the nail on the head. I have the official service manuals and it references the D20 AND the D24; and it doesn't specify different tools for the motors -- so the Audi 5cyl will work, and the source I found lists the diesel 5 cyl as compatible with the crank tool. THANKS!!!! I'll report back once it comes in that it actually works.

[R.O.R-2.0]

It holds the crank pulley so you can loosen the big crank bolt. Unlike the VW IDI, you cannot remove the crank pulley (for the accessory belts) to change the timing belt without removing the big nut. I think Hondas are similar in design (but use a totally different tool).

hondas are similar, but since honda engines spin the wrong direction, they also have reverse threads..

[CRSMP5]

  corvair is only wrong spinnin engine i know of with arss backwads type of things... no honda ive touched is backwards..

[R.O.R-2.0]

corvair is only wrong spinnin engine i know of with arss backwads type of things... no honda ive touched is backwards..

honda FWD engines are mounted to the wrong side of the car.. the crank pulley is on the drivers side.. not passenger side like a VW.

so, for the car to go forward, the engine must rotate CCW..

honda civic/accord/CRX/Acura Integra

and quite a few other honda engines spin backwards, and have reverse threads on the crank bolt..

trust me, i know this to be FACT...

thats why honda engines are on the drivers side of the car, and all other manufacturers (besides corvair) use a clockwise rotating engine..

usually engine is on passenger side, and trans is on drivers side..

with a honda, its backwards, so they must spin backwards..

not to mention, if you LOOSEN a honda crank bolt, it breaks..

but if you TIGHTEN it, it comes loose every time.. (left hand threads)

[CRSMP5]

what year honda you dealin with??? even the 83 i work on is not a backwards runnin engine.. yes they mount them wrong way in.. but they not a ccw engine.. they turn the ring/pinion gear direction in tranny for foward/rev to go forward/backwards... done way too many timming belts on them..

look up some old convair flat 6 conversions.. they sell either reversed cams to change its rotation or reverse ring/pinions for tranny... how i knew this to win big prize in high school shop class... but growin up round this crap ive seen old buss pullin wheelies with a corhog turbo in his bus.. he had backwards ring/pinion... then when that got shelved.. it sat beside a na reverse cam engine.. think they dtill on the shelves too... 

[R.O.R-2.0]

what year honda you dealin with??? even the 83 i work on is not a backwards runnin engine.. yes they mount them wrong way in.. but they not a ccw engine.. they turn the ring/pinion gear direction in tranny for foward/rev to go forward/backwards... done way too many timming belts on them..

look up some old convair flat 6 conversions.. they sell either reversed cams to change its rotation or reverse ring/pinions for tranny... how i knew this to win big prize in high school shop class... but growin up round this crap ive seen old buss pullin wheelies with a corhog turbo in his bus.. he had backwards ring/pinion... then when that got shelved.. it sat beside a na reverse cam engine.. think they dtill on the shelves too... 

no, hondas REALLY DO spin backwards..

my 85 civic spun backwards, my 92 integra spun backwards, my 87 CRX spun backwards

if you take a VW engine, on a stand, and start it, the crank spins clockwise..

if you take a honda engine, on a stand, and start it, the crank spins COUNTER clockwise..

if hondas spin the same direction as a VW, then why are they one of the only engines with a reverse threaded crank bolt?

[R.O.R-2.0]

i googled "honda engines spin backwards"

and this is what popped up on the top of the page..

http://community.cartalk.com/discussion/1006414/engines-running-backwards

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/honda-swaps-into-not-hondas/19819/page1/

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1426315

do you need more proof that honda engines (besides pre-1970, V6, and K series) spin backwards of a VW engine?

[R.O.R-2.0]

im not crazy, or high, or anything..

MOST honda engines REALLY DO spin backwards.. (CCW, opposite of the traditional CW rotation)

guess even our most knowledgeable users learn something new every day as well!!

[745 turbogreasel]

I'm not sure if they're the same... Do you have a picture of the Audi tool?

Do you have the means to cut and weld metal? I know someone who made one of these tools, it didn't look very hard to make at all. It's just a piece of steel tube with the slots cut into it at the appropriate places, and it has something like a jack handle welded onto it. I've also seen them on ebay (in the UK but can be shipped to the US).

here are mine
http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=228915

the Audi tool has 1 lug instead of 4, and the 'handle' is slightly different.

[kcfoxie]

Thanks for the link, turbogreasel. I figure I'll give the Audi tool a shot for now... make one if I have to. I have a good 20k miles before I need to fret about it based on 2008 repair records.

I drove it today... got it up to 55mph on the road my storage shed is on. Needed ATF and PS fluids but runs; smoking at idle stopped after I got good and warm. Didn't overheat. I have coolant. So... that seems to be a blessing. One of my injectors is leaking; could be source of my rough starting (even restarting can be iffy)... still not ruling out bad pump job.

No idea how this should drive, but it seemed OK... on par with dad's 1.6 at least, given this thing is a 3 speed automatic (and the weight of two of his Golfs).