Author Topic: word to the wise do not over torque your arp studs  (Read 6711 times)

Reply #15February 12, 2011, 01:59:50 am

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Re: word to the wise do not over torque your arp studs
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2011, 01:59:50 am »
It's the stuff Fel-Pro makes their gaskets with.
I burned off a lot of water, and still had over a gallon in the crankcase.
Is this coolant still good? ::)

It failed right where 6.2s always do, but reading up on it, that seemed to be one of the things to avoid, and Fel-Pro does say 'Install Dry'

Reply #16February 12, 2011, 06:42:05 am

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Re: word to the wise do not over torque your arp studs
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2011, 06:42:05 am »
for what coolant cost i wouldn't use it
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Reply #17February 12, 2011, 07:54:12 am

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Re: word to the wise do not over torque your arp studs
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2011, 07:54:12 am »
You know ? For the past 30 years, every time I read something like this I think - wouldn't the use of Peratex Copper head gasket spray on our head gasket solve this problem like it does on a small block  Chevy ?  Have not tried it yet....

copper and aluminum have a bad reaction.. really bad corrosion..

i know im not using any copper spray on my aluminum headed engines..

my grandpa swears by silver floral paint.. and so do i. have used it before with great results..
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Reply #18February 12, 2011, 09:04:18 am

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Re: word to the wise do not over torque your arp studs
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2011, 09:04:18 am »
I have done and re done many HG on different stuff. I have never had a bad fel pro, but I never used any coating on them. I feel there coating works or has for me.
On my last VW in my build thread I used ARP torqued to 100ft/lbs, permatex aviation sealant on both sides of the MLS gasket, and have no issues yet 11,000 miles.
I would also say the ARP IIRC have the 12-1.75 on the block end for threads, but the head end is 12-1.25 and that to is way finer than stock. Unless raceware does super fine 1.0 thread pitch if they can do that I would think they are the same.
I say you have a bad heat treat on the stud. At the tensile strength these have, eventhough chromoly is more forgiving than carbon or stainless alloys, it should break at about the same point it stretches. If the heat treat didn't get in there far enough instead of the high ultimate tensile strength it will be more elastic and stretch sooner. It is just a guess, but for what ARP charges for this stuff they should stand behind it either way.
Something else I did with my head studs was put on an old whipped gasket and torque/retorque several times at 80ft/lbs. Since my studs were new I wanted to relieve the stress in them if possible. ARP tells you to do it with there rod bolts and all the circle track cars that we built would suck until we started hanging them for 2 years after welding them up. I went overboard/full retard on mine though as it was the first diesel I did and first daily driver. I didn't want to run into trouble so I went the extra on every step.
Good luck getting the oil out of your coolant system. I think Maxfax has a procedure down pat if you need help contact him :D

Reply #19February 12, 2011, 11:06:42 am

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Re: word to the wise do not over torque your arp studs
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2011, 11:06:42 am »
I was mostly just surprised it wasn't all mixed together.

My block deck was eroded,  so I put in another one.
I might take that one  to the machine shop and see what they say, aside form the leak, that 6.2 was one of the cleanest diesels I've ever seen inside.