My Jetta is Alive after being down a few months.

[jpedro]

Well after fighting with the old motor ive got my car in almost running order now. the first motor decided to give up on life after me being a tard and leaving a peice of paper in my intake after painting and forgeting about it. enough said? well now its got a 1988 1.6L NA converted to turbo. i couldnt get it running on the na pump so i ripped that one out and tossed in my turbo pump and away she goes. now the only thing wrong with it, is now the injector pump needs to be set up / timmed to get rid of the rough and smokey engine. of the vw stealership to get set up. ill have pics of my process and all that stuff up within the next few days here. thanks for all your help with helping diagnose my other motors problems. and getting this one going again.

[Vincent Waldon]

All good... thanks for posting back so that we know the end of this chapter...  ;-)

[jpedro]

is it fairly easy to set up the pump or is my best bet to bring it to the vw dealer ship? i dont have a dial indicator or any of that stuff to do it, can it be done by ear? also at idle its about 1800rpm

[vanbcguy]

You can absolutely do it by ear... Do it with a hot engine, rotate the pump till you get some clatter at idle the back it off just a tad.  Top of the pump towards the valve cover is advancing the timing, away from the valve cover is retarding it.

Depending on your pump there are some differences in how idle speed is set.  If the pump is from a later model (late 80's or early 90's) then there will be an idle speed adjustment screw between the pump and the valve cover.  There's also the actual physical stop for the throttle lever which will have some impact on idle speed.  If it's an earlier pump it won't have the extra idle speed screw and will just have the accelerator lever stop.

The other possibility is that your max fuel screw is screwed in too far.  When you say it's smokey, can you clarify?  Smokey all the time, or just when accelerating?

[rs899]

Agree, if its running already, just tinker with timing by ear.

As for your earlier engine, I would appreciate a little more data about the errant piece of paper. Where was it lodged?  How big was the piece?  I think you still had a crank to cam timing issue, the way you described it at one point, next time be sure to check that the crank stays on its mark. Do you think your other engine is still usable?

[Thezorn]

Do you think your other engine is still usable?

His head and all the internals are good and he is keeping them. As for the block, it has a big crack in it.
So the engine isnt really worth salvaging but all his parts are.

[jpedro]

It was a full piece of paper shop towel stuck in the #3 Hole and went threw it, and is partially wrapped around the valve but a good portion was stuck inside the turbo and plugged right up with soot so i figuree thats why the exhaust was barely making it outta the exhaust pip, and as far as timming issues there was NO issues with that it was checked many times over and over again. and all my parts i am keeping, i have so many of them now. more then i know what to do with. the only thing that is wrong with the other motor is its always had a hairline crack in the block right behine the vacum pump into the water jacket not a big ddeal if some one wanted to weld it with some carbon (cast) rods or seal it up some how but i have no use for it now. Thezorn and myself dropped in the new motor and swapped everything over and what not got it running and timmed it by ear but there is still some adjustment needed because the injectors still tick a bit so ill bring it in and get it done properly.

[jpedro]

car went to vw today to get properly get the injector pump timmed as it ticked slightly.

[Baron VonZeppelin]

You gotta do what ya gotta do.

But it will cost you about double the price of buying the timing tools and doing it yourself - in having them do it at VW.

German Metric Tool Set is $80-90 shipped.
You'll get slapped with 1.5 - 2.0 hours labor @ 75-95 per hour. 

[Thezorn]

You gotta do what ya gotta do.

But it will cost you about double the price of buying the timing tools and doing it yourself - in having them do it at VW.

German Metric Tool Set is $80-90 shipped.
You'll get slapped with 1.5 - 2.0 hours labor @ 75-95 per hour. 

Is there a DIY on making your on dial gauge? I almost think I have seen one but Im not sure.

[Baron VonZeppelin]

Libbybappa was making/selling a simple device that measured the timing specs a while back. Thats as close as i can remember to anything that wasn't an actual gauge.

He may still have some of them. (?)

[Thezorn]

Okay, but what about for making my own actually gauge indicator. I sorta remeber vince talking about it in a thread a whiile back as to what I would need to change on the dial indicator itself.

[Baron VonZeppelin]

Idunno ... but try PM'ing Vincent on that.

[Thezorn]

I think that is a good Idea sir.