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December 29, 2009, 06:49:37 pm

SolarSteve

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Storing an IP
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I have a spare 1.6 NA.  The head is removed so the timing belt is off.  The pump is still mounted to the motor and is pinned.  The fuel line going into the pump is capped and the fuel pipes are removed and the fuel outlets on the pump are capped.

Is there anything special I should do to the pump to prevent any internal damage or corrosion?  Anything to keep it "fresh"?

I was thinking of gravity feeding fresh diesel into it and spinning the pump pulley by hand.  Is that necessary?

Thanks
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Reply #1December 29, 2009, 08:04:35 pm

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Re: Storing an IP
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2009, 08:04:35 pm »
Hopefully a very long time.  I don't plan to use it unless the IP on my driver dies.

The motor had been sitting in the sellers backyard, uncovered, for atleast this past summer, maybe spring too.  He did put aluminum foil over all open lines...
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Reply #2December 30, 2009, 01:37:33 pm

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Re: Storing an IP
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2009, 01:37:33 pm »
OK, thanks.

Whats the best way to accomplish this?  Draining and filling?

is filling it as easy as spraying the stream of PB Blaster right down the fuel line to the IP?  Do I need to rotate the pulley?

Thanks for the help
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Reply #3December 30, 2009, 01:59:46 pm

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Re: Storing an IP
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2009, 01:59:46 pm »
I wouldn't store a pump empty. It makes it too easy for moisture to get in and ruin everything.

I would guess that oil and caps would be the best thing to use if you didn't care about your seals.
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Reply #4December 30, 2009, 07:24:05 pm

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Re: Storing an IP
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2009, 07:24:05 pm »
Quote from: burn_your_money on December 30, 2009, 01:59:46 pm
I wouldn't store a pump empty. It makes it too easy for moisture to get in and ruin everything.

I would guess that oil and caps would be the best thing to use if you didn't care about your seals.

If I did care about my seals, what would be the best thing to do?

This motor was running before it was pulled from the car and I'd like to store it as best as I can incase I need something off of it or at some point to sell it.  Whats the best thing I can do for the IP to preseve the condition its in?  Will the PB Blaster hurt the seals?
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Reply #5December 30, 2009, 09:11:34 pm

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Re: Storing an IP
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2009, 09:11:34 pm »
I don't really know what would be best for long term storage. I've never had to do it before.

I think the seals will go regardless of how you store it.
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Reply #6December 30, 2009, 09:39:05 pm

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Re: Storing an IP
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2009, 09:39:05 pm »
I'm running an experiment with one filled with ATF for about a year, under the assumption that ATF has a very good shelf life and is known to be ok for the seals.

Will report back when I  fire it up in the summer.
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Reply #7December 30, 2009, 09:44:41 pm

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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2009, 09:44:41 pm »
Space bags!!!     Ideally if you could keep it in some sort of container with about 30" of vacuum It should stay good..  All the moisture will be gone at that point..   Of course that is easier said than done...
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Reply #8December 30, 2009, 10:42:29 pm

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Re: Storing an IP
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2009, 10:42:29 pm »
Quote from: Vincent Waldon on December 30, 2009, 09:39:05 pm
I'm running an experiment with one filled with ATF for about a year, under the assumption that ATF has a very good shelf life and is known to be ok for the seals.

Will report back when I  fire it up in the summer.

I thought about using ATF but I though the detergents in it would eat the seals...

I wonder if some 10W40 would be OK?

Or better yet some 1010 oil...
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Reply #9December 30, 2009, 10:50:02 pm

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Re: Storing an IP
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2009, 10:50:02 pm »
Chose ATF *because* of the detergents actually...theory being they'd keep the inside cleaner than straight oil.  ATF doesn't eat tranny seals...might be fine with viton? Like I said... an experiment... we shall see!

My guess... any reasonably lightweight petroleum-based product that doesn't age or excessively evaporate:  oil, ATF, PB Blaster, WD-40 etc, probably will do a great job of keeping moisture away from the internals of the pump and safely  preserve the pump in storage.
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Reply #10December 30, 2009, 10:59:27 pm

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Re: Storing an IP
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2009, 10:59:27 pm »
Great!!  Thats the info I was looking for.

Thanks

PS will synthetic ATF be a problem in the IP upon starting or should I use regular ATF?
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Reply #11December 31, 2009, 10:17:58 am

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« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2009, 10:17:58 am »
i would use regular, its way cheaper. and a good chance is you will dump most of it out before you put the pump on a car and actually fire it up again.
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Reply #12December 31, 2009, 10:35:14 am

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Re: Storing an IP
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2009, 10:35:14 am »
I had the local Bosch rebuilder run calibration fluid through a pump purchased (thinking I would use it within a year or so...). Six years later, I gave it to a guy (thinking it would be crap!) who promptly changed the usual seals and put the pump to work. Two years later, it is still running great!!!

This pump simply sat in a plastic bag (stapled shut) in an old wooden farm grainary. The new owner may have used a little sea-foam in it....but, that is it!
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Reply #13April 07, 2011, 08:13:16 am

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Re: Storing an IP
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2011, 08:13:16 am »
Bumping an old thread....  anyone have any definitive answers or experience?

I just broke down a pump that the PO stored filled with diesel, and it's a mess.  I have no clue how long it was off the road, but the diesel was obviously varnished.  I had to pry the vanes out of the rotor with a pick. 

I'm soaking the internals in laquer thinner, before i determine if it's scrap.

-Todd

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