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Reply #285January 24, 2010, 09:31:13 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #285 on: January 24, 2010, 09:31:13 pm »
While I TOTALLY agree with wanting to try and repair the old head in terms of learning skills and what not, I just can't imagine spending $300 on a head that at best (and I'm being conservative) 50/50 chance of actually being usable at the end of the project. 

If you're willing to run something that's been welded seven ways to Sunday then I really don't see how a Prothe head could be any worse - and a bare Prothe head is under $300.
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Reply #286January 24, 2010, 11:08:20 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #286 on: January 24, 2010, 11:08:20 pm »
Something about "getting there is half the fun" that I find wildly appealing.  Although, I agree with you, I am usually frugal, but lets face facts, I am a Marine, and as such, a little on the insane side. ;D

thanks guys,

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"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #287January 25, 2010, 07:06:31 am

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #287 on: January 25, 2010, 07:06:31 am »
Something about "getting there is half the fun" that I find wildly appealing.  Although, I agree with you, I am usually frugal, but lets face facts, I am a Marine, and as such, a little on the insane side. ;D

thanks guys,

Kevin

getting there IS half the fun, but not when your project keeps pissing in your cheerios and giving you the finger every time you look at it or try to work on it.

thats why i started doing my work right the first time. i wouldnt waste my time trying to fix a junk head. buy a prothe special. pretty sure smokey eddy has one. it runs, thats for sure. those cracks that got welded are going to open back up. and at the worst possible time.

Reply #288January 25, 2010, 11:38:10 am

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #288 on: January 25, 2010, 11:38:10 am »
I'm not going to use it in my turbo setup :o you must really believe I'm daft?  I am going to see just how rough cold starts are on the 1.5 bottom end ;D and use it on that with standard 1.5 N/A pump and injectors basically, I'm curious to know if an aaz head will really work, or be practical on a 1.5 bottom end.  I'm going in not expecting it to work and if it does..... well, then I have a good breathon N/A 1.5 with super low static compression, and probably ***ty milage, depending on how it's tuned.  Any advice?  Curiosity killed the cat...... and my wallet :P

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Kevin
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"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #289January 25, 2010, 11:48:46 am

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #289 on: January 25, 2010, 11:48:46 am »
daft?
im a stoner with a limited vocabulary, un common words dont get along with me.

and good luck on the 1.5/9 n/a its probably gonna have around 15:1 compression or so, cause the 1.9 pre cup is almost 20 cc's, and the 1.5 pre cup is around 11 cc's. thats almost a 200% increase. might work, probably wont. it would be cool if it did tho. i just think i could spend 300 dollars more wisely then trying to fix a junk head is all. 1.9 heads are not rare. theres just not much VW diesel stuff in cali, or oregon, or washington really, but if we made a trip to canada one of these days, we would be set...

Reply #290January 25, 2010, 12:01:39 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #290 on: January 25, 2010, 12:01:39 pm »
daft?
im a stoner with a limited vocabulary, un common words dont get along with me.

and good luck on the 1.5/9 n/a its probably gonna have around 15:1 compression or so, cause the 1.9 pre cup is almost 20 cc's, and the 1.5 pre cup is around 11 cc's. thats almost a 200% increase. might work, probably wont. it would be cool if it did tho. i just think i could spend 300 dollars more wisely then trying to fix a junk head is all. 1.9 heads are not rare. theres just not much VW diesel stuff in cali, or oregon, or washington really, but if we made a trip to canada one of these days, we would be set...

Just start that baby up on ether.

Reply #291January 25, 2010, 12:03:54 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #291 on: January 25, 2010, 12:03:54 pm »
you up for the trip kev?  You are a self proclaimed stoner after all ;D  I'd go at the drop of a hat, but there's the whole Military thing :-\  I don't have many choices on heads here, true!  I have a better one on it's way, and I am curious to try this, that's the bottom line.
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #292January 25, 2010, 09:33:52 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #292 on: January 25, 2010, 09:33:52 pm »
IF it's just an experiment, why not just pressure test the cracked head..   IF it holds throw it on there and see what happens....   

That's what I love about the crack engine..   I burn all sorts of crazy things as fuel, not to mention the other things I've done to it...  IF it blows up, oh well, I haven;t destroyed any good parts.. more or less...

Reply #293January 25, 2010, 10:11:02 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #293 on: January 25, 2010, 10:11:02 pm »
But it wouldn't look near as pretty :'(  Ok, now for some pictures.
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #294January 25, 2010, 10:54:14 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #294 on: January 25, 2010, 10:54:14 pm »
I have some pics of those fuel coolers I talked about, as well as some of the clean components I have back from doing all of the media blasting, the block is coming soon, and will be painted next, as well as the g60 intake mani.  I am having a hell of a time cutting up that audi 5000 turbo mani. :P  would fuel cooling be beneficial?  I am going to install a toggled pick up pump, and since it is fuel cooled, I wonder "SoCal is mostly warm all year" if it would be beneficial to cool the fuel? These were originally used for JP8 cooling, and they still have some inside ;)
1.5 N/A exhaust mani and dual D/P looks tons better cleaned and will be awesome when I grind the etra material from them and put a nice ceramic high temp paint on it.  I plan to put these on the 1.5 with the aaz head if it all works out.

audi and g60 mani pre paint

oil pan pre modification for the dry sump, I have some lines drawn on it now and am getting ready to cut it up to prep for changing the inside dimensions.

aaz valve cover pre paint

I know, white is tacky, but I think it will look good so screw off 8)

another shot, before I put the sticker back on ;D

Now for the fuel cooler

plenty of options for connections

current pressure connections

I have two

size comparison
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #295January 26, 2010, 05:43:37 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #295 on: January 26, 2010, 05:43:37 pm »
I got the new head today, It has cracks in the precups, so now I can add precups o the list of things I need as well as two cam keys, one cam/bolt and another aaz valve cover.  I will also need, all of the necessary parts for a full aaz head rebuild valves, seals, guides, precups, valve seats "my machinist broke one"  pictures to come very soon ;D
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #296January 26, 2010, 09:06:01 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #296 on: January 26, 2010, 09:06:01 pm »
I wouldn't say white is tacky at all, but in a diesel, it might not be white for long ;D

You my friend have a touch of insanity that has made this thread a lot of fun to read.
I can't wait to see where you go with this.

now that mine is finally running I have to live vicariously through you guys.

Cheers,
Ryan
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AAZ, K14, Giles pump, PD150 intake, P&P'd head, ceramic coated pistons, 2.5" stainless down pipe & exhaust. FK coils

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Reply #297January 26, 2010, 09:10:22 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #297 on: January 26, 2010, 09:10:22 pm »
where do I get gaskets to rebuild MY HEAD!!!??? ??? :'(  I need everything cept the cam, cambolt and washer, valve cover and gasket, cam, and valves.  I need the sensor, gaskets, guides, valve seats, freeze plugs, everything.  I also need to figure out what the hole in the cam cover is for and what the heck I'm spoze to do with it???

thanks guys,

Kevin
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #298January 26, 2010, 09:35:19 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #298 on: January 26, 2010, 09:35:19 pm »
Ok, just like promised, the pictures:
MMMmmm DIRTY! just the way I like em 8) ::)

pre worn in, a useful feature ;)

precup condition, some of these, are in rough shape/AKA cracked, but fortunately for me just the precup itself is cracked.





center stage we have an authentic aaz cylinder head from CANADA *crowd goes wild*

no1

no2

no3

no4

the clean.... er side

cam side up

ceramic, high temp/2000f painted g60 intake

audi 5000 mani, I'm trying to modify it PITA *grumble*

partly through still a loooong waaay to go..... any suggestions?
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #299January 26, 2010, 10:19:06 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #299 on: January 26, 2010, 10:19:06 pm »
You, my friend, have a touch of insanity that has made this thread a lot of fun to read.
I can't wait to see where you go with this.
Cheers,
Ryan

I certainly try, don't I?

I plan...... to go......... TO THE MOON, no, seriously now.
I feel the need............ the need....... for speed 8)  I do understand that it will not be a 1000 H/P engine or anything but Brake H/P wise it will be in a league all it's own. ;)  I mean, what, the Mk1's weigh about like 1100lbs soaking wet with a full tank and a fat chick in the back? ::)
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa