Iknow, I know. Chrysler 2.2L auto trans?

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I'm thinking of using an auto trans. from a Chrysler 2.2L turbo Le Baron for my TD Scirocco drag car. Yah, thats right I said Chrysler and auto transmission.
I know that the Dodge Omni used the VW block and their trans. together. Well what would be the benifits of using that trans. vs. the VW auto trans.
I know that there are more upgradeable parts, well just parts for them in general.
Thinking of using the internals from a  4 cylinder Caravan and putting them it the "413" case. 2000rpm stall converter, mod the valve body, and shift kit. Maybe a spool. What do you think? :twisted:
Of course adapt the axles to fit the VW outter CV's.
Right now theres a complete setup on VWvortex, trans. section.
You can get Caravans and LeBarons for next to nothing.

[arb]

I'm almost done with putting a 1.6TD in a Caravan. http://vwdiesel.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=15633&start=120

You can see my axle splice there. I would use the VW trans as the weakness of Chrysler auto trans is well known. I worked at the tech center for 5 years. They have had problems with auto trans for years now. On adapting their trans, yes VW did the initial "K" car platform of which the Omni, Lebanon, and Caravan share. But, they have several different trans packages with different bell housings. On one Caravan, the top of the bell housing has a passage for a 1 1/2" coolant line to exit the end of the block ! Is a Mitsubishi V-6 - sill arrangement, but shows yet another iteration of their packaging.  I'd keep the VW trans, as I did although I am using a manual, the axles are the same. In my thread, you'll find a factory axle shaft with VW inner CV and Chrysler wheel splines.

[Dr. Diesel]

I've got a VW 3 speed auto on my turbo G60 rabbit. In stock form it works well. Shifts are lazy, of course, but once I nip that in the bud, it'll rock. 1st gear is all wheelspin, second pulls like a MF (I don't mean the 1.6L TD MF!). I haven't had it in third yet. (early stages of bug removal)
The big enemy is ATF overheat. I installed an oil cooler.
Burn_your_money recently overhauled one, and said that there's plenty of room in the clutch drum for more discs and stators.

There is (was?) a 9 second 2L 16v turbo rabbit in Brazil that used a modded VW 3 spd autobox.

Pretty hard to beat a good autobox in the drags. Turbos love pulling against tall gears.

I agree with above.
Keep the VW box.

[zukgod1]

Man I wish there was a 4spd auto. I would be in heaven with a slushbox..

[Dr. Diesel]

they do have 4 spds... mk4, B3 and B4. They suck. Electronic control killed the joy.

[zukgod1]

Ya I would want a mech controlled one.

I'm not about to add electronics to my car.

[arb]

Ya I would want a mech controlled one.

I'm not about to add electronics to my car.

I'm with you there - the Radio/GPS is the only place I want any transistors.

The "auto" trans for a diesel Smart car is a manual trans with servos connected to the linkages.

[jtanguay]

my dad blew the trans in his old '94 caravan very early (i think around 50-60k km from lots of towing) and had it replaced under warranty.. after that he put this huge tranny cooler on it and voila... we were towing lots of stuff in it (even 3500 lbs of limestone once) and it never had an issue.  it got stolen and they put fish/lobster juice in it (ya... lame) so my dad didnt want to keep it.  

so no matter the autobox you get, put in a nice big tranny cooler on it!!! air/air works best i think... i've seen the ones that use the heat exchanger with the coolant system fail.  not good!!! but i suppose they do help warm the engine and tranny up quicker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy9vy0pduMA

that video shows what an autobox can really do  btw was the autobox in that golf 4spd or 3spd???

[Dr. Diesel]

hot chick in a nitrous-breathing diesel. I'm in love!

[cyrus #1]

In love with the chick?  Or the nitrous breathing diesel?  :lol:

[Smokey Eddy]

Do you think they increased the boost or fueling for that?

I think more fuel and no BOV + a plugged waste gate and it would rocket!!!

[Dr. Diesel]

In love with the chick?  Or the nitrous breathing diesel?  :lol:

yes.  

[zukgod1]

Ya I would want a mech controlled one.

I'm not about to add electronics to my car.

I'm with you there - the Radio/GPS is the only place I want any transistors.

The "auto" trans for a diesel Smart car is a manual trans with servos connected to the linkages.

Yuppers, I added a Navi system and DVD for the kiddies but if either stop working I can still drive.

[voodoo]

you need the 404 transmission from a 78 to 82 omni this car came with a dodge transmission with vw bolt pattern bellhousing for the 1.7 VW engine.   most of these cars have been crushed

superior transmission makes a full manual shift kit for the 413  /  404 transmission its about $40  ?ebay?, if you look hard enough at turbododge.com you can find the instructions on how to make it full manual for free I very strongly recommend the full manual shift kit as opposed to letting the transmission think for itself.

buy and read the ATSG service manual very useful

the 413 is a very strong transmission, and rebuilding it to bulletproof is super cheap.  

down sides, the transmission is heavy, the parts inside of it are heavy, and the power needed to  operate the hydraulic pump that makes it work reduces the amount of power to the wheels making the car slower.  the 404 has no lock up so the torque converter slips forever, negative mpg, but I would not want a lock up automatic t.c. because of the heat it makes and the lock up that doesn't stay locked up if the gas pedal is pushed down, and the friction material dirt that comes off.  the 404 flexplate has 3 tiny bolts for the torque converter, the bolts need to be larger and stronger, how to upgrade this has been covered somewhere. engine must be on at all times, automatics cannot be moved with the engine off because with no pump running there would be no lubrication for any of the bearings , no coasting, no towing.

given the choice between a 413 and a manual i would pick an 02a or an 01a or 01e audi transmission with a torsen diff

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Voodoo, thanks for the info and insight about this trans. I was thinking of using it strickly for drag racing only, not for highway use. The car would be stripped of most of its weight; fuel tank, spare tire well, interior and some glass. I don't even think I'll be using the power assist brakes or the alt.
Just tring to come up with a different idea for a trans.
Is there any trans rebuild kits for the MK1 or MK2 auto's that would hold up to the thrashing I'll give it a 1/4 mile at a time.