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Reply #420August 18, 2012, 10:45:49 am

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« Reply #420 on: August 18, 2012, 10:45:49 am »
also liked to know what was the modded parts on the exhaust manifold...

i had to have mine welded to turbo because of lack of space so i have to keep this manifold...
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Reply #421August 19, 2012, 10:44:37 am

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« Reply #421 on: August 19, 2012, 10:44:37 am »
PM sent  :)
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Reply #422August 19, 2012, 10:45:51 am

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« Reply #422 on: August 19, 2012, 10:45:51 am »
 :( I wanna know to see if I did it right
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Reply #423August 19, 2012, 12:54:37 pm

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« Reply #423 on: August 19, 2012, 12:54:37 pm »
:( I wanna know to see if I did it right

These built engines are all individuals. There isn't a do-it-all recipe that works on all engines.
You always have to test it to see what happens. If something doesn't work right, there's usually a clear remedy though.
If you get good spool-up and no drop on power before 5000 rpm, it can be said that your exhaust side is OK.
Provided of course, that EGT and EGP are good.

The thing is, good flow is only good if you get decent spool-up. Unless you have a VNT.
This is important because you will need a BIG turbo to flow the amount of air a diesel needs.
A big turbo is tough to get spooled up. Considering, then, exhaust manifold design:
You need to focus on spool-up first and flow second.
A big turbo will then help the flow, because
the turbine will flow more than a small one.

This is what I know, how to implement this depends on your machine and its parts.

I would say the most important thing is a decent turbo, though. If you have a high power target, forget the 80's turbos.
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Reply #424August 20, 2012, 05:54:25 am

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« Reply #424 on: August 20, 2012, 05:54:25 am »
Ok that makes sense. I am hoping my ideas about my turbo will be true, i have used the 50 trim t3 compressor from a volvo, it flows up to 250bhp and has a peak efficiency of 75%, and is atleast 70% efficient up at a pr of 3 (30psi).  I think the compressor efficiency is pretty good considering the stock turbo peaks at 70, and most newer turbos peak at around 78%.  On this forum we have seen that the 45 trim t3 is good for over 200whp.  the exhaust side is the stock vw parts, .36 a/r housing and stock turbine wheel. i think the older turbine wheel is probably the more inefficient part of my turbo, fortunately tho, since it is a garret t3 there are many aftermarket turbine wheels i can have installed to increase flow, and probably spool up too with the more modern design, but that is only if the stock one seems to be lacking.  i have also read that some of the ford cosworth cars came from the factory with the .36 a/r turbine housing, and the cosworth guys say it is good for 230bhp, I am hoping this is also true for us vw nuts since diesel egt's are lower, and also diesels run a lower air to fuel ratio, so the exhaust gases will be smaller because of less heat, and also will be smaller since there is less fuel added that needs to flow through the turbo as well.  But i do realize that the cosworth guys also do not have to run such high pressures to make their power.  And best of all i have spent only around 200 dollars total for my turbo, which my friend rebuilt for me.  that was longer than i had intended haha, anyways back to talking about your car as that is what this thread is for
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Reply #425August 23, 2012, 03:45:15 pm

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« Reply #425 on: August 23, 2012, 03:45:15 pm »
Today I finally finished my fuel pickup unit, or sender unit, as some people call them.

It was a major pain to make. It would have been way easier to modify the trunk floor and fit a safety cell fuel tank with a transfer pump
and a catch tank. Even a stock GTI arrangement would have been fine. But, I don't like adding electric devices to a mechanical fuel system.
Working as a car spares salesman has taught me not to trust cheap fuel pumps, and expensive ones are, well, expensive. One more part
to fail is an unnecessary worry, and I wanted to keep the OEM touch to everything as well.

The stock fuel system is designed for 80 hp max, so my goal of 200+ hp called for an upgrade.
Think what you may, we have seen benefits and some have even broken engines with the stock fuel system...

So this is what I wanted to replicate in my build:




And to make the new unit this is what I had to play with:



...there are two 1.6 TD sender units and one 1.8 carburetor one.


The carb one was chosen to serve as a donor unit so I started by cutting it in pieces:




...as you can see the standard unit not only has small diameter fuel lines, they are crimped as well!




Then it was time to pull out the original fuel pipes altogether, and fill the holes:




Next up was cutting a 1.6 TD sender unit to see how the internals were designed:



It's a real clever system, it has a swirl channel, baffles and a breathing system. All that is spring loaded onto the fuel tank too,
to work with different fuel loads and tank pressure.

Here's how the bottom part works: ( imu means pickup, paluu means return )



So now I knew what I needed to accomplish. Then the real work began...

The top cap needed to be re-drilled, and an attachment system needed to be made for the new 'catch can' of sorts.
Aluminum was my material of choice, for its lightness and ease of working on. 10x8 mm pipes were chosen for
the entire fuel system. That gave me options for filters and connectors etc. Stock pickup line has a maximum of 6mm inner diameter.



The net benefit of this? Maximum flow capacity is now at least 1.6x the original. At least, because the OE system has
those bottle necks... OK, the capacity did not grow 2.5 times, but considering there is still extra potential in the OE system, this should do.
Making the lines bigger would have yielded many kinds of fitting problems.

I made caps for the catch can and a support for the fuel gauge sender:




The gauge sender had to be a specific type (Valeo origin) because the VDO one would not fit onto the catch can without serious modification.
Here it is, cut off of the old 1.6 TD sender unit:




And of course holes needed to be drilled, and room made for the connecting bolts:




At this point what I had was this:




Top cap and pipes were then welded onto the catch can:




Mocking up a baffle system:




The final design welded up, and pickup holes also drilled (to the same angle as the original design). Fuel pickup pipe is in the middle:



I made the chamber a little different than the original, mainly to allow the return line only flow to the whole fuel tank through the pickup area.
I believe this is a safer design since I did not include the original "outer curve" for the primary inlet.

After that, the bottom was sealed up with a round cap. There is only a 2mm gap between the end of the pickup pipe and the catch can floor.
Should make it difficult for air to get in there!

Supports were welded onto the catch tank/upper retainer. Then I epoxied the upper retainer to the top cap to keep all the fuel fumes inside the
fuel tank and the breathing system that was designed for them. That 2-component epoxy glue withstands all typical fuels, so it was a good find.




Here, finally, is the completed sender unit:



You WOULD NOT believe how difficult it was to get everything to fit, and sit at the correct angle. In all, building this unit took more than
ten working hours. And making it fit inside the fuel tank was even trickier. I had to modify every part of the gauge sender and grind
off material form the catch can too. It was a real big pain... But I made no short cuts, now everything is like I wanted.
It's a great help that I get to use the services of a good aluminum welder since that's something I can't do myself. Big thanks to
Raision Jäähdytin!!!


There she sits:



As of now, the fuel tank has been fitted to the car and next day at the garage I will make the fuel lines from the tank to the filter.
I'm even contemplating a twin filter system as on Merc diesels. You know, a "rough" filter up front and the fine filter after that.
Whatever they are called in English... What would your thoughts be on that?

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Reply #426August 23, 2012, 04:06:27 pm

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« Reply #426 on: August 23, 2012, 04:06:27 pm »
great work! :o

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Reply #427August 23, 2012, 04:08:51 pm

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« Reply #427 on: August 23, 2012, 04:08:51 pm »
Rough and fine are good words to use.  Awesome build ur attention to every part of the car is great, can't wait to see it running!
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Reply #428August 23, 2012, 04:27:11 pm

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« Reply #428 on: August 23, 2012, 04:27:11 pm »
Nice craftsmanship. Another option for filters would be to use an air/particulate separator like an AirDog system. Would be handy if you are going for a really flow engine.
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Reply #429August 24, 2012, 01:48:39 am

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« Reply #429 on: August 24, 2012, 01:48:39 am »
Thank you so much, guys!

I am really trying to make it run this autumn, but there is still a lot to do.
Good thing is, when the fuel lines and brake pipes are fitted I can bolt the rear axle on and then I can put the car on its wheels.
Then I hope to have my manifolds and turbo so I can start with the boost pipes, oil lines and such.
It is fun, but it's also a lot of work..
Sometimes I wish I had a lower standard - I would be driving this thing already. But I can't change my personality  ::)

Anyway, it's nice to see you guys keep interested! I try my best to get you guys some rolling footage before the snow comes and kills the play.
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Reply #430August 24, 2012, 09:08:30 am

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« Reply #430 on: August 24, 2012, 09:08:30 am »
Anyway, it's nice to see you guys keep interested! I try my best to get you guys some rolling footage before the snow comes and kills the play.

Better get busy, i am sure it won't be long before snow hits the ground in finland.  can you see the north pole from your house?
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Reply #431August 26, 2012, 02:57:52 am

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« Reply #431 on: August 26, 2012, 02:57:52 am »
Better get busy, i am sure it won't be long before snow hits the ground in finland.  can you see the north pole from your house?

Busy I am, make no mistake :)
I should still have  6 to 8 weeks to work on this before the snow... North pole - ha ha. You must have been a geography major :)

This week I have at least two full days to work on it. That should help a lot. Tires should arrive any day now and I'm only missing some little parts.

I'll get back here soon and report my progress!
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Reply #432August 26, 2012, 10:26:47 am

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« Reply #432 on: August 26, 2012, 10:26:47 am »
No, in school I took up space.
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Reply #433August 26, 2012, 10:43:32 am

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« Reply #433 on: August 26, 2012, 10:43:32 am »
I live almost as close to the North Pole as TurboJ, I get through the winter season by joyfully driving sideways with my Golf PD130 4Motion ;) Every season has it's charm, though my workshop is biting cold! :'(
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Reply #434August 26, 2012, 01:30:58 pm

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« Reply #434 on: August 26, 2012, 01:30:58 pm »
Every season indeed has its own charm, Spring is my last favorite tho, I must peel my ass off the couch from being lazy all winter and start making my yard look nice again, it's tough.
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