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Reply #15March 20, 2008, 07:16:38 am

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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2008, 07:16:38 am »
I will get a picture up of mine today if possible.  I guess if anyone has a AAZ shaft they can snap a picture of, we can compare them.  
Does the AAZ engine have the same problems with the IM shaft bearings going bad?
If it does not, and the shaft does not have the extra lobe on it, that may help support my idea about the failures on the 1.6 models.
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Reply #16March 20, 2008, 09:32:47 am

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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2008, 09:32:47 am »
Unfortunately if this thread was a few weeks earlier, I could have taken pics.
BTW, my bearings looked great although they supposedly have less than 50k on them.
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Reply #17March 20, 2008, 12:40:35 pm

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« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2008, 12:40:35 pm »
Here are the photo's:  (still looking for someone to add a AAZ IM shaft photo)

Full shot of the IM shaft.  You may be able to see the taper.  The end that has the gear to drive the vacume pump is the smaller diameter end.  The lobe for the old style fuel injection pump is on the right.


The big side and the small side of the lobe. Close up.




These are pictures of scoring on the end of the shaft.  If I run my finger nail over them I can barely feel them.  Any opinions on weather you think this will be ok if it polished off?


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"Making the jump NA to TD" slow but sure.

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Reply #18March 20, 2008, 02:03:34 pm

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« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2008, 02:03:34 pm »
That looks like the area where the seal rides.I dont think thats metal bearing surface right there.strange,dont know why the seal would do that.Unless there was dirt and debris slowly grinding away 8)NEVER MIND im wrong im thinking of something else :oops: ,You could polish and fit a new bearing. :)
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Reply #19March 20, 2008, 03:14:46 pm

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« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2008, 03:14:46 pm »
It may be a seal there, I will need to check the bentley.
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Reply #20March 20, 2008, 04:14:50 pm

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« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2008, 04:14:50 pm »
I believe that is where the seal rides. My AAZ shaft sure didn't look like that, so I guess it has no hump.
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Reply #21March 20, 2008, 05:34:03 pm

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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2008, 05:34:03 pm »
From what I've read on vwvortex, im shafts badly need to be lightened and balanced.
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Reply #22March 20, 2008, 07:46:07 pm

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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2008, 07:46:07 pm »
important /critical,huh??
i  i really dont see where itll make a huge difference still,,being its running 1/2 speed
but if you are going all out,it cant hurt
id think there would be more gain by running no dampener pulley
Throttle cables ftw

Reply #23March 20, 2008, 08:18:11 pm

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« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2008, 08:18:11 pm »
I don't think it is critical.  But what the hell.  I have it out and sitting at the machine shop.  No way that thing is very balanced looking like that.  Couldn't get much easier than it is right now to clean it up.  Couple passes on a lathe. BAM!!  Drop a little weight, get rid of some shake. :lol:
Hell, if I had it out on a N/A I would do it to.  Course there is no way I would be tearing this thing out of an engine just to turn and balance it.

Just one of those things you should do while it's apart I guess.

I post a picture when it's done.
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Reply #24April 19, 2008, 09:41:16 pm

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« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2008, 09:41:16 pm »
How did your lightening and balancing go?  Any before and after pics/weights?  Was that Techtonics you contacted about doing this for you?
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Reply #25April 20, 2008, 05:09:02 am

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« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2008, 05:09:02 am »
The guy who was turning it probably has it done.  I need to go ask him.  Last time I was there he was way busy.  He builds race engines on the side, and everyone wants to get started in the spring.  I will post a photo of the finished product for comparison with the photo at the top of the post.
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"Making the jump NA to TD" slow but sure.

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Reply #26April 20, 2008, 06:40:17 am

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« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2008, 06:40:17 am »
Weighing before and after would have been interesting to do some mathematics... :cry:
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Reply #27April 20, 2008, 07:14:10 am

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« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2008, 07:14:10 am »
Perhaps there is another member who has one out of the car.
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"Making the jump NA to TD" slow but sure.

1980 VW Rabbit LS 5-spd, 4-door 1.6NA almost 450,000miles  RIP

Reply #28April 20, 2008, 07:50:58 am

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« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2008, 07:50:58 am »
Tempting to pull mine and balance it, while I have my engine out.  

Not to threadjack, but from what I understand, the lobe can be completely removed?

Reply #29April 20, 2008, 08:59:38 am

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« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2008, 08:59:38 am »
Yep, That baby comes right off when it is turned.
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"Making the jump NA to TD" slow but sure.

1980 VW Rabbit LS 5-spd, 4-door 1.6NA almost 450,000miles  RIP