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December 29, 2007, 02:24:04 pm

juleshs

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« on: December 29, 2007, 02:24:04 pm »
can someone tell me what serpentine belt set up is and what is the alternative?? pics if poss

Reply #1December 29, 2007, 02:28:37 pm

ilomax

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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2007, 02:28:37 pm »
Look at a MK3 Golf/Jetta (1993-1999.5) and look at it's belt system versus yours.

It uses one big belt to control all the accessories instead of 1,2, or 3 (maybe 4) "V-Belts" like the typical Rabbit has.

Instead of tightening the V-Belts and quickly torquing down the nuts and bolts , it uses a belt tensioner to keep everything tight.

It's a simpler set up, looks better, works better and ya (Those are my opinions).
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Reply #2December 29, 2007, 02:44:07 pm

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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2007, 02:44:07 pm »
i have the mk 3 so i have the serpentine belt set up BUT its in a mk2 and the pulley catches in the chassis. can i change it to the other set up and if so what do i need tro change ie pulleys,pumps etc

Reply #3December 29, 2007, 04:46:48 pm

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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2007, 04:46:48 pm »
I have seen the mkIII setup on MkI 8v gas motors but is it the same on a 1.6NA diesel?  Is there a setup that will acomidate A/C and an alternator?

Reply #4December 29, 2007, 05:55:58 pm

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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2007, 05:55:58 pm »
I think having several belts like on my MkII is better than one belt.  I can break two belts and still keep running by keeping my water pump working.  I would not have power steering or alternator, but atleast I can make it home or to a auto parts store.  I have never been a fan of the serpentine belt since if it breaks, then you are dead on the road.
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Reply #5December 29, 2007, 06:03:13 pm

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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2007, 06:03:13 pm »
ye but does it ever break? look at the size of it, those v belts are are dog *** and you cant run a clutched alternator of it ether

if it was my car id just grind a bit off the chassis to make it fit


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Reply #6December 29, 2007, 06:23:34 pm

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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2007, 06:23:34 pm »
Quote from: "juleshs"
i have the mk 3 so i have the serpentine belt set up BUT its in a mk2 and the pulley catches in the chassis. can i change it to the other set up and if so what do i need tro change ie pulleys,pumps etc


I think this problem has been dealt with before and involved a small and slight "knock" in the frame head to make it work. Though, i don't know what is different about your setup, but I have seen the MK3 style work on several Mk2's without any interference issues.
Another consideration you could look at is using the "ABF" serpentine mount and alternator. It is from the MK3 16v ABF motors across the pond that uses a very CLEAN looking mounted bracket and the alternator/belt tension is applied via a spring behind the alternator...doing away with the "pulley tensioner" found on conventional MK3/b4 and similar serpentine setups...(both gas and TDI).

I run a serpentine setup on my mk1 without any interference issues... but thats mk1

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Reply #7December 29, 2007, 06:57:39 pm

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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2007, 06:57:39 pm »
Quote from: "dieselsnowmobile"
I think having several belts like on my MkII is better than one belt.  I can break two belts and still keep running by keeping my water pump working.  I would not have power steering or alternator, but atleast I can make it home or to a auto parts store.  I have never been a fan of the serpentine belt since if it breaks, then you are dead on the road.


I'd say, if you let your belts get to the point of them breaking, it doesn't matter what belt set up you use.
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Reply #8December 29, 2007, 10:51:53 pm

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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2007, 10:51:53 pm »
theres a faq with some part #'s
http://vwdiesel.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=9599

on my 1.6td in a mk3 I'm using
From 1.9td
the bracket with tensioner
harmonic balancer which has a v belt pulley on it for the water pump

I neglected to get the 1.9td water pump pulley figuring the 1.6 pulley is the same , but it isn't, they don't line up.  

From gas 2.0 :
AC and alternator fit on the 1.9td bracket. I had to grind down the bushings a little, maybe 2mm?, (the ones away from the belts to avoid messing up the alignment)
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