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April 19, 2005, 11:10:13 pm

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« on: April 19, 2005, 11:10:13 pm »
Two days after picking up my 1991 Jetta 1.6TD I did a few G-Tech runs (stock). The dyno lines appear a little bumpy because I was driving on a rural road, but all runs were consistent.

Full pull from 1,600 RPM to redline:


Raced from a stop (3rd gear 2,900RPM>redline is plotted):


Well, that's it for now.. these are the baseline runs. I'll post updated G-Tech runs after some mods in a few weeks :)


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Reply #1April 20, 2005, 02:38:50 am

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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2005, 02:38:50 am »
Did you weigh your car, or just estimate?
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Reply #2April 20, 2005, 09:09:01 am

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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2005, 09:09:01 am »
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Did you weigh your car, or just estimate?


I weighed the car at a truck scale between 172nd and 160st exit Westbound on Highway 1, the day before the G-Tech runs  :)

The car weighed 1110kg (2442lb) without me in it. Add 158lb (me) and the total is 2600lb. I probably should have subtracted a few/several pounds because of the fuel consumed in a day before the G-Tech use, but I think it's close enough. :)
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Reply #3April 20, 2005, 01:28:21 pm

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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2005, 01:28:21 pm »
Nice - great info, and always good to have more data, especially a totally bone-stock baseline.  Thanks for sharing!

PS - I have not seen a '91 Jetta 1.6lTD before, I think it was not sold in the US market but must have been a canadian only thing.  (It's not an "ecodiesel" is it?)  Engine code is "MF" right?

Does it have the same turbo that the earlier 1.6lTDs had?  (It looks like it does based on the dyno plot, but I'm just checking to make sure.)

Gotta love those RPM-sensing G-techs.  That is great that you are experiencing good repeatability.

Oh and by the way, which gear did you use for your HP & TQ vs RPM testing?
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Reply #4April 20, 2005, 02:41:39 pm

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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2005, 02:41:39 pm »
Thanks :) It is a real TD, not eco. I haven't checked the engine code but it came from a 1986. There are other 1991-1992 or older Jettas that come with 1.6TDs stock though. Yes, I think it may be a Canada-only thing.

The turbo is a Garrett, I'll have to look into the specs.

For the first long 1,600RPM to redline pull I used 2nd gear. The two pulls shown in the second dyno plot is from 3rd gear (automatically selected by G-Tech). I'm going to do a few more 3rd gear baseline runs on a highway and also see if I can pull a better 60ft (on 185 all-season tires). I wonder if I can get into 18sec 1/4mi before proceeding with modding.

Here's an enormous picture of the Jetta: Clicky clicky.
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Reply #5April 20, 2005, 05:56:39 pm

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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2005, 05:56:39 pm »
Hey, she's pretty - holy-rollers and everything!  :)

Is the suspension stock, or just old?   :P


Those are decent numbers too for a bone stock car, how many miles/km's on her?


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Reply #6April 20, 2005, 06:35:07 pm

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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2005, 06:35:07 pm »
Quote from: "lord_verminaard"
Hey, she's pretty - holy-rollers and everything!  :)

Is the suspension stock, or just old?   :P


Those are decent numbers too for a bone stock car, how many miles/km's on her?


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Thanks and yes, the suspension is still stock :) it's fine but feels very wobbly compared to my previous car; a 1997 Golf with stiff coilovers. I'll upgrade the suspension for the Jetta eventually.

223k km on the chassis, approximately 170k km on the motor.

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Reply #7April 20, 2005, 09:45:11 pm

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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2005, 09:45:11 pm »
Sweeet .   :wink:
Looks alot like my 92 TD Jetta (Silver though). Very curious how your machine will look/perform after each mod, as I have big plans for mine now that I've decided to spend the money on her instead of on a new TDI. I figured no matter what I spend on mods and wheels and suspension and stuff, it will be significantly less than a new(er) TDI, so she's gettin pimped out, not too much though. Where did you take that pic BTW? I can't figure out if it's true West Coast, or just really windy that day.

Reply #8April 21, 2005, 01:17:18 am

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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2005, 01:17:18 am »
Quote from: "92A2VWJTD"
Very curious how your machine will look/perform after each mod, as I have big plans for mine now that I've decided to spend the money on her instead of on a new TDI.


I have a TDI (currently in building stage), and I chip-tune TDIs but I'm enjoying my TD very much. :)

I'm not going to concentrate on styling much because that gets dull over time. I'll be happy with just performance mods.

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Where did you take that pic BTW? I can't figure out if it's true West Coast, or just really windy that day.


The previous owner took the picture during his trip to Oregon this year.
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Reply #9April 26, 2005, 12:09:46 pm

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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2005, 12:09:46 pm »
My car is waaaaay faster now :D. On Sunday and Monday I drove an hour to Brett's (DVST8R) shop and the following was done to the formerly stock 1.6TD:

1) Boost pin washer/spacer mod.
2) Electronic boost control. It's currently set at 24 PSI with barely any boost spikes. We ran it at 25 for a while.
3) Fuel injection quantity maxxed out.
4) Fuel governor mod.
5) 2.5" no-cat custom mandrel-bent downpipe to 3" exhaust (starts at bottom of downpipe).
6) EGT probe drilled in pre-turbo.

... and a few more. Big props to Brett for the help. I've had the TD for only a little over a week so I learned a lot during the process.

On Sunday I had leak in the back of the fuel pump where the cold start lever attaches to. We fixed that Monday. Rebuilding the fuel pump is a little easier than it looks.

So far the power is great, a big improvement. A friend of mine commented that it accelerates a bit harder than his MK3 VR6, but different torque curves can play tricks on the mind. Regardless, I plan to get the following done soon:

1) 1.9L TD 3-hole metal headgasket.
2) Raceware or ARP head studs.
3) GTD injector nozzles (should be here Tuesday or Wednesday).
4) Advance fuel pump to 1.05mm.
5) (pending) a clutch.
6) A little weight reduction.
7) INTERCOOLER.

I want an intercooler real bad. Currently, I can reach 1,600 degrees Fahrenheit by the middle of 3rd gear WOT after launching from a stop. Advancing the fuel pump and new nozzles may help improve the power/smoke ratio a bit.

Yes, my TD's smoky. DVST8R lives in a rural area so smoke doesn't matter much there... but I commute (45 min) to Vancouver that has very heavy traffic. One of my co-workers was unfortunate enough to be behind me on the way to work (we just bumped into each other). At 10% throttle while accelerating as gently as possible, my co-worker "couldn't see anything" (past my smoke) as he put it. I couldn't help but giggle.I probably raised Vancouver's smog level by 50% this morning :D

After work today I'm going to reduce the fueling a bit and keep it there until the next mods are done.

That's a quick summary for now. I have lots of pictures of the project. I'll try to post them later tonight.

I gotta get back to work now as I have lots of catching up to do.

Later,
Mark
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Reply #10April 26, 2005, 01:06:23 pm

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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2005, 01:06:23 pm »
I really like how 'clean' the stock car looks. I met Brett on Sat and experienced the same level of vision your co-worker did following him on a cruise. I'd like to see the gtech run now so you know hp/tq/time differences.

Reply #11April 26, 2005, 01:48:47 pm

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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2005, 01:48:47 pm »
We tried to do some g-tech runs on both our cars, but the g-tech was acting up so we didn't get any real numbers. Mark has another g-tech so he will try it with that.

Like Mark says I live in a rural area with tractors, rigs, and dodges and nobody cares about smoke so I have mine kinda smoky  :wink: .

Mark took lots of pics. Those pics should answer once and for all "Where do I put my EGT probe?"

We also started work on dave's caddy, he did a bit of a cusom cut fuel pin, but we ran out of die grinder bits (cheap bits) He is coming over Wednesday evening and we are going to do his Downpipe, and then in two weeks when I return from Edmonton we are going to do the Gov, mod and all the rest of the tunning. He has enough space for a monster intercooler! Stay tuned for some seriously quick Chilliwack tuned TD's.  :twisted:
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Reply #12April 26, 2005, 01:48:59 pm

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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2005, 01:48:59 pm »
Quote from: "autobahn"
I really like how 'clean' the stock car looks. I met Brett on Sat and experienced the same level of vision your co-worker did following him on a cruise. I'd like to see the gtech run now so you know hp/tq/time differences.


Hey, I don't recognize your username. What car did you drive during the cruise last Saturday?
edit: I did a search and found a picture of your red MK3 Jetta :)

Brett and I tried doing G-Tech runs in my car but it did not work right even with a smooth launch and a dead flat road.. it randomly reported 0 to 60 HP and shows a big dip in the HP/Torque curve between 2,500RPM and 4,000 RPM or something like that. The G-Tech however read my RPM just fine and smoothly from 1,000 RPM to redline.

I switched to Road Racer mode in G-Tech and watched the bar graph that moves depending on acceleration or braking. The bar moved smoothly as I started accelerating and then it started jerking back and forth. Not sure why it's doing that. My exhaust system isn't fully hung in place yet so maybe the vibration is confusing the G-Tech.

We also tried G-Teching Brett's car and it kept on saying "The G-Tech stopped because the vehicle moved during staging", even with a proper launch. Brett's car has a very grabby clutch that when engaged makes the car jerk upwards, possibly confusing the G-Tech.

I'll try doing a few more G-Tech runs tonight and see if I can get it to work.
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Reply #13April 26, 2005, 10:59:07 pm

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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2005, 10:59:07 pm »
How did you run a 2.5" exhaust, did you cut off the stock toilet bowl and weld it on the 2.5" exhaust, or did you make a new downpipe as well?

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Reply #14April 27, 2005, 01:12:01 am

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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2005, 01:12:01 am »
Yeah we made a new downpipe, which is all 2.5 mandrel bent, than to 3 inch no cat no muffler mandrel exhaust. I was there sunday to help mark and brett out I learnt a lot about the injection pumps, pertty sure brett and I took apart marks like 10 times. Tomorrow brett and I are gonna make a downpipe, and maybe the rest of my exhaust. Brett I'll bring my 3 inch bends, and pipe, and if you don;t have time I wanna cut them and than I can weld them up at home, but if you wanna help that great.  In the next month there are definately gonna be some way fast TD's in chilliwack. Mark, I wanna buy a g tech, what can you tell me about them? cost? reliability ect? the tach seemed pretty acurate so I am thinking maybe I could use one as a tach for the time being? You can email me the info or pm thanks.

 

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