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WTB: TD engine from an audi 5000/or TD quantum complete
by
spenceroma
on 01 Apr, 2007 17:20
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anyone? :lol:
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#1
by
Turbinepowered
on 01 Apr, 2007 19:03
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Well, which do you want? They're two different animals... Audi engine's a 5-cylinder and likely not to be found for under a grand, the Quantum engines are a bit more common, four cylinder, and likely cheaper.
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#2
by
spenceroma
on 02 Apr, 2007 03:37
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I'd prefer the Audi motor as has better performance than i will find out of a Quantum TD motor, but I am entertaining either idea at the time. I have a FWD quantum wagon I am looking into throwing a diesel motor into.
the quantum TD motor would be easier, but I'd prefer the audi 5000 motor.
anyone out there have some sources for these, sold complete (i'd need it all)
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#3
by
Turbinepowered
on 02 Apr, 2007 04:14
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Better performance, marginally. But you may have/will probably have fitment issues: need an adapter plate for your transmission, need to relocate some motor mounts, and unless your radiator/condensor is already on the side, you'd have some problems with the overall length. It's entirely possible the sucker won't fit in there.
5-cylinder FWD Quantum, or 4?
Not to mention, as I'm discovering, parts are a real PITA to come by for the 5-cylinder engines.
I have an NA 5-cylinder diesel, CN block, but I'm going to turbocharge it anyway. Intercool the crap out of it and have a nice, big exhaust and only moderate boost levels (12-15psi) once I add an LDA pump. Should be fine, going into a Q Syncro. Unless you're going to go crazy with it, an NA may do you fine too, and be a little more commonly available in the US.
Edit: If you want an NA, there are several posted up in the NW region (ID and CA at first glance) on either Car-Part.com or mypartshop.com
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#4
by
spenceroma
on 02 Apr, 2007 12:52
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5 cylinder FWD.
SO as far as parts for a 5cyl-na (not sure what NA signifies), what else would i need besides the motor to do the swap into my quantum?
What cars came with that motor?, and that will bolt right up to my 5sp manual tranny currently in the car?
I'll take a look on thise sites as well, but will see if i stand a chance of finding something locally as well.....
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#5
by
jackbombay
on 02 Apr, 2007 13:13
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the 4 bangers and 5 bangers had different bolt patterns, the 5 banger will only go into a syncro since they came with a 5 banger gasser. The 5 banger diesels were sold only in 82 and 83 with a turbo and for 2 maybe 3 years before that with a NA Diesel (non turbo, naturally aspirated) 5 banger, in the Audi 5000 that is.
Parts are very hard to come buy, and they are very hard to find complete... in running condition. I found plenty of broken ones for sale, usually they have bad compression in one or more holes. After my expirience trying to put one in a syncro quantum I'd NEVER try to do it again. Do a TDI swap and have something that you could sell for what you have into it/get parts for instead of some freakishly rare not particularly reliable or powerful engine.
My $.02
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#6
by
spenceroma
on 02 Apr, 2007 14:59
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i would love to do a TDI swap and not have to suffer trying to find the missing pieces for an older setup, but i was not sure that was entirely possible for a FWD quantum Wagon (or I need some serious direction on where to start and what all is needed.)
Does a newer TDI fit? (and if so what engine code to look for, and what it comes out of)
what all has to be done to make one fit? welding, mounts,etc?
would my stock 5cyl manual tranny bolt right up?
what parts are needed besides the engine?
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#7
by
rabbid79
on 02 Apr, 2007 22:14
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C'mon, putting a TDI in there would be a HUGE PITA, even if a person went the purely mechanical route (M-TDI or TDI-M as it's known). The 2.0 Audi TD has nearly as much HP and torque as a stock north american 1.9 TDI. With a little tuning, a lot more power is possible.
Besides, if you've already got the 5-cyl transmission, there's no point trying to bolt a 4-cyl TDI up to it. I'd take Turbinpowered's advice and just convert a naturally aspirated (NA) 5-cylinder Audi diesel to turbo. It shouldn't be a big deal. I know I've said this a million times, but there are a lot of parts off the early '80 Audi 5-cyl. gas engines that bolt on to the NA diesels to make them turbo-diesels.
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#8
by
spenceroma
on 03 Apr, 2007 03:55
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SO a 5cylinder diesel motor 2.0, naturally aspirated is the general consensus (for the most part) for a fairly straightforward swap.
And I am to find A NA-5 CYL-----
off an early audi (80-82) ?? What models??
Or a TD from an audi 5000 (82-83)??
The VW TD quantums were 4 cyl transverse(mounted perpendicularly) engines, correct? so if i found one of those i would need the whole thing w/ tranny, driveshafts etc, correct?
thanks guys- this helps. I am sure to figure this out eventually.
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#9
by
Turbinepowered
on 03 Apr, 2007 04:25
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SO a 5cylinder diesel motor 2.0, naturally aspirated is the general consensus (for the most part) for a fairly straightforward swap.
And I am to find A NA-5 CYL-----
off an early audi (80-82) ?? What models??
Or a TD from an audi 5000 (82-83)??
I don't believe the TDs were ever actually sold in the US; your best bet would be look to Canada. The naturally aspirated versions were available on 1980-82 Audi 5000 vehicles, I think. You'll need your engine's motor mounts and mount brackets.
The VW TD quantums were 4 cyl transverse(mounted perpendicularly) engines, correct? so if i found one of those i would need the whole thing w/ tranny, driveshafts etc, correct?
Quantum vehicles were never transverse engine setups. ALL Quantum drivetrains are longitudinal.
However, the bolt pattern for the 4 and 5 cylinder engines is different. To put a four cylinder engine in your car, you'd need the adapter plate to go from a VW 4-cylinder pattern to a VW 5 cylinder pattern.
Another option, though, if you want something with some more power, is contact an importer, and get a VW 5-cylinder TDI with all the electronics. They fit in the same space as your present 5-cylinder, and at 2.5 liters are more powerful than the older Audi engines. Parts are fairly readily available in Europe, so you could have them shipped over when you needed something. Going this route you would be able to get everything you need for an installation in one package pretty much guaranteed.
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#10
by
jackbombay
on 03 Apr, 2007 07:51
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I don't believe the TDs were ever actually sold in the US;
They were in 82 and 83, there was only a few thousand sold those 2 years so they are practically not worth looking for, they seem to be prone to blowing HGs for whatever reason, head gets warped bad, gets rebuilt a few times and then its at min thickness and unrebuildable, thats what was wrong with the one I got, plus the block was jacked.