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#15
by
ORCoaster
on 18 Sep, 2022 19:40
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Something is shorting out or pulling a heavy draw on that resistor. I am not sure what it is hooked to either. I don't have a good handle on the Bentley circuit diagram for the cluster.
Can you follow the foil lines to what it is supposed to be powering on the cluster? The use of a meter might be necessary to do that.
You might have luck following it to say a fuel gauge or temp gauge that is shorted out perhaps.
Keep trying. And keep us in the loop.
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#16
by
fatmobile
on 19 Sep, 2022 00:34
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Can you follow the traces to see where they go?
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#17
by
ORCoaster
on 19 Sep, 2022 21:21
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I dug out the cluster I have and that resistor is connected to the voltage regulator and then goes to what looks like some other electronic thing with a hose barb on the back. Maybe tied to the cruise control?
Perhaps your voltage is too high coming off the chip. It would be a tough thing to get the plugs on and measure the individual points. Maybe prewire some take of wires to the chip and then measure below the dash with the plugs active?
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#18
by
fatmobile
on 19 Sep, 2022 23:08
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Only thing I can think of with a barb on the back is used for a vacuum gauge hooked up for a fuel mileage estimate.
Wouldn't/shouldn't have one on a diesel.
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#19
by
ORCoaster
on 20 Sep, 2022 23:19
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Fatmobile, I got this cluster off Craigslist in a deal with a diesel MK1 cluster. I was thinking I might be able to get it up and running if I had the proper wiring diagram for it and some of the plugs that go in the lower corners.
I take the tachs out of gas clusters and convert them for diesel. I have a couple in the shed now.
This MK2 cluster is nicer looking and would really freak out someone seeing the high MPH number. Does this thing even go that fast? I like the 80 mph sweep actually. It puts the 60 mark right where I can see it best over the steering wheel center.
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#20
by
oblique
on 21 Sep, 2022 22:33
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Alright so i finished my TB job finally and started the car with the cooked resistor cluster. Worse than before, now my fuel and temp gauges dont work at all. I changed all 3 bulbs on the back but 1 is still out.
Also now my taillghts (and amber front lamps (not flashers)) are always on. The headlight switch operates the headlights as before but it had no effect on the rest...they are on as soon as ignition is on.
The PO did wire in a manual rad fan controller in the engine bay...theres a temp probe that goes into the rad and the electrics box with adjustment wheel screwed to the body...there's quite a few wires going different places.
Havent had a chance to pull the cluster and get readings...i can also alligator clip the old resistor leads and run wires outside the dash and probe those
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#21
by
fatmobile
on 22 Sep, 2022 02:59
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The voltage regulator that resistor tracks back to runs the fuel and temp gauges.
So it might be somehow shorting to ground.
ORCoaster some gasser clusters had an MFA,.. multi function something.
It was a switch/button on one of the stalks that switched the LCD window in the cluster to display things like MPG, air temp? etc.
My '87 Jetta GLI had it.
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#22
by
ORCoaster
on 22 Sep, 2022 23:20
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I bet that is what I am missing from the equation for getting the little box to display any information. I see the white letters and can figure out the graphics for all those functions. Now I know how they were cued from the stalk on the steering wheel.
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#23
by
oblique
on 07 Oct, 2022 12:16
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Quick update on this, I swapped the regulator with this one:
https://www.digikey.ca/en/products/detail/stmicroelectronics/L78S10CV/1165899The output/input legs are reversed on this one so it has to be mounted upside down...some washers and a longer screw did the trick for heatsinking, etc.
Seems to be working, although fuel and temps seem to be reading a little low now. I cleaned up some of the grounds near the battery and engine as well as the leads around the starter but no change...this is odd because I think low readings are a result of
too little resistance, correct?
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#24
by
ORCoaster
on 07 Oct, 2022 23:31
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Could be low voltage on the same resistance that would cause low readings.
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#25
by
fatmobile
on 08 Oct, 2022 04:52
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Measure the voltage at the sender.
I think it's supposed to be around 11 volts but really not sure.
I'll have to check mine.
That should tell you if there are voltage drops at connections etc.
I think as resistance goes down, current increases and the needle goes up.
Have you checked the ground from the instrument cluster?
If a ground wire has voltage on it,..
it's not grounded.