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Pautner Ti Crank Rods
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GEE-BEE
on 23 Jun, 2014 09:37
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http://pauter.com/parts/rods/audi-vw/Iam sending a rod and piston assy for a perfect match...
std rods 875.00 set
TI rods 1100.00 each
Thanx Fed Ex for loosing my pkg and making me a extra 6700.00 last week
GB
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#1
by
sdubfid
on 23 Jun, 2014 12:45
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why??
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#2
by
GEE-BEE
on 23 Jun, 2014 16:42
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Why what ?
Cause its a build.....
Maybe one day you will sit down and order a 997TT and go thru a 52 page catalog of options
Some people wonder why one car can be 143k and another can be 197k
Same car on the outside correct ?
Then spend another 18k on a TI Akrapovic exhaust, you will probly ask why...
Cause you can, and you are free to do whatever you want ?
Pautner also makes std rods also..
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#3
by
sdubfid
on 23 Jun, 2014 17:51
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Just wondering what advantages there are in a low rpm engine. In that case can you send your tdi head to be digitized and Cnc ported?
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#4
by
theman53
on 23 Jun, 2014 17:55
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Just wondering what advantages there are in a low rpm engine. In that case can you send your tdi head to be digitized and Cnc ported?
I would guess that even low rpm engine it has lots of force acting on the rods. I don't know the compression of the TDI off the top of my head, I guess it to be 18:1 and the IDI's are 23:1. Add a turbo and 5,000-6,000 rpm and there is reason to be worried.
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#5
by
745 turbogreasel
on 24 Jun, 2014 00:26
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At any speed, reciprocating mass is even worse than rotating mass.
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#6
by
Toby
on 24 Jun, 2014 00:31
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Are you kidding me? Have you ever heard of anyone breaking a TDI rod, EVER? I am not talking about spinning a rod bearing, actually breaking or bending rod w/o some other catastrophic failure?
IIRC I remember that these bottom ends are very stout. Like 800-1000 hp drag motors with a pretty much stock bottom ends.
Unless he is making some HUGE hp numbers, I expect they will have no benefit beyond one upsmanship. It sounds like a case of vast resources with half vast ideas.
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#7
by
Renax
on 24 Jun, 2014 04:40
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Turbodiesels break the rods at low rpm. 5-600nm @1800rpm is alot to take...
But the stock TDi rods can take a beating no doubt! Seen sylinder cracked with stock rods...
But still, if you want the best, it doesn't matter if stock is "good enough". The best is better with less chance of failure...
Sent from my cheapchinaphone using Tapatalk
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#8
by
theman53
on 24 Jun, 2014 05:22
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Are you kidding me? Have you ever heard of anyone breaking a TDI rod, EVER? I am not talking about spinning a rod bearing, actually breaking or bending rod w/o some other catastrophic failure?
IIRC I remember that these bottom ends are very stout. Like 800-1000 hp drag motors with a pretty much stock bottom ends.
Unless he is making some HUGE hp numbers, I expect they will have no benefit beyond one upsmanship. It sounds like a case of vast resources with half vast ideas.
Yes, I have. I have also held the stock TDI rods in my hand. Even though they are longer they weigh less than the 1.6 rod. They are tough, but not near as tough as our IDI rods.
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#9
by
GEE-BEE
on 24 Jun, 2014 06:03
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One of my Ducati has ti rods ( v4 998 cc ) 240 hp
The valve and the rods are ti
This was a oem setup for this model...
Weight and strength
GB
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#10
by
libbydiesel
on 24 Jun, 2014 07:52
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Are you kidding me? Have you ever heard of anyone breaking a TDI rod, EVER? I am not talking about spinning a rod bearing, actually breaking or bending rod w/o some other catastrophic failure?
Yes.
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#11
by
92EcoDiesel Jetta
on 24 Jun, 2014 08:05
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http://pauter.com/parts/rods/audi-vw/
Iam sending a rod and piston assy for a perfect match...
std rods 875.00 set
TI rods 1100.00 each
Thanx Fed Ex for loosing my pkg and making me a extra 6700.00 last week
GB
Maybe I have a reading comprehension problem.
"Iam sending" means you have not sent it yet.
"Thanx Fed Ex for loosing my pkg and making me a extra 6700.00 last week" sounds like you have sent it and they lost it and you made money out of the deal? an extra $6700? How? Did you insure it for more than actual value?
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#12
by
vanbcguy
on 24 Jun, 2014 08:21
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I saw enough broken rods on TDIClub that I decided to upgrade when I built my engine. If you are doing a performance build you probably are going to upgrade the rod bolts plus get your factory rods resized by a machine shop, so why not spend a little more and upgrade them. The cost of rebuilding an engine that has experienced a rod failure is waaaay more than the incremental cost for upgraded rods.
I went with the Integrated Engineering Tuscan rods:
http://www.performancebyie.com/integrated-engineering-tuscan-144x26mm-1-9l-tdi-rodsThey fit the AHU/1Z perfectly including clearing the intermediate shaft oil pump drive gear which is a problem with some of the aftermarket rods out there.
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#13
by
GEE-BEE
on 24 Jun, 2014 08:36
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those are good also
Ref : fed ex
I bought a new set of electric recaros from the east coast, insured for top dollar, paid low
fed ex lost the 110 lbs box (52 inches tall )
they dont care,claim paid
I found another set of used for 180.00 recaro's
Iam doing a complete int and new scirocco fabric for the inserts
I will do the TI rods, its a business expense so who cares...
Iam not giving any extra money to fly the preisdent around in a 747
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#14
by
Toby
on 24 Jun, 2014 09:18
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I saw enough broken rods on TDIClub that I decided to upgrade when I built my engine. If you are doing a performance build you probably are going to upgrade the rod bolts plus get your factory rods resized by a machine shop, so why not spend a little more and upgrade them.
Broken rods or broken rod bolts? Broken rods because they spun a bearing and kept driving? I am talking about a rod failure. Its easy to tell. A broken or bent rod with an intact piston and rod bearing is the usual indication that the rod failed first. If the bearing is spun that is likely the first point of failure. If the cap is broken or missing without any signs of bearing failure that is usually a sign of rod bolt failure.
FWIW you almost NEVER do anything but go backwards when having things like rod bearing bores resized. If you have 2 places in the state that can do anywhere near as good a job as the factory finish you are doing really well. I have had a lot of machine work done over the years and even the most highly regarded are suspect, if they aren't doing SBCs. Cope Bros probably can, but I do not think they do jobber work. The only machine shop in which I had any faith at all was bought out by a chain who shut down that "greasy stuff they were doing in back". At this point there is nobody in western Washington that I would trust to do the big end of a rod on anything other than a grocery getter.
I suspect that you were also seeing a number of "oil pump failures" on the TDI Club as well. In nearly 50 years of poking around inside broken motors I have never seen an oil pump failure that was not FOD or trauma from other broken bit whirling around. So called "oil pump failure" means they ran it out of oil. "Connecting rod failure" almost always means they ran it out of oil and kept driving it until they ventilated the block.
Now when you start making huge hp numbers or the rods are particularly weak, rods do sometimes bend or break. This is, however, not common. Now if you have the money and want bragging rights, be my guest, just please don't try to blow smoke up our collective dresses about how important or useful unobtainium rods are.