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#30
by
8v-of-fury
on 18 Mar, 2013 19:24
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as the road flair i store beside my spare 2 gal of fuel just somehow lit its self..
Damn, you got good coverage.. lol
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#31
by
CRSMP5
on 18 Mar, 2013 19:44
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its a vanagon... for me to own one id have to be given a few trillion with it.. so to burn it would be a way to get paid off so i could keep the trillions of dollars and not have one in my way.. as you see i dislike them.. but sadly ive seen too many owners of vanagons not torque the crank bolt properly due to exhaust system.. then some idiot turns the crank bolt ccw and it somehow cracks loose doing what issue he now has... old dasher/quantium/4000 same things happen too..
unless you do th 31/4 turn via locking the crank by flywheel/main bolts w/chain or lock.. no way installed you can.. and no way to fit a air tool to it to try to tighten either.. so honestly common issue..
my guess is guy who worked on it screwed up.. left something on crank bolt.. hit key.. loosened it with a thud.. did not know better and he is now screwed..
but that flair and few gal of fuel = bon fire worth roasting weenies on.. at least h egot something for his aggrivation..
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#32
by
libbydiesel
on 19 Mar, 2013 14:06
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Vanagons are the best vehicle VW ever made.
There is no difficulty properly tightening the crank bolt on any of the VWs including Vanagons or Quantums if you have decent tools. I've done plenty of crank bolts on vanagons with turbo-diesels installed and haven't had any issues. Using air tools to tighten any of the VW crank bolts is just wrong.
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#33
by
shwak23
on 21 May, 2013 19:04
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sadly i said that last page... but ignored i am..
Sometimes it is hard to understand what the hell you are saying when you speak like James Joyce and Yoda rolled into one.
:D;D
Sent from Outer Space!
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#34
by
R.O.R-2.0
on 30 May, 2013 17:27
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Vanagons are the best vehicle VW ever made.
There is no difficulty properly tightening the crank bolt on any of the VWs including Vanagons or Quantums if you have decent tools. I've done plenty of crank bolts on vanagons with turbo-diesels installed and haven't had any issues. Using air tools to tighten any of the VW crank bolts is just wrong.
what about the quantum 5 cyl? and all the audi's equipped with the 5? the crank bolt calls for 495 ft lbs..
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#35
by
745 turbogreasel
on 30 May, 2013 17:44
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#250 on a 2' bar does the trick.
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#36
by
wolf_walker
on 30 May, 2013 20:26
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Vanagons are the best vehicle VW ever made.
There is no difficulty properly tightening the crank bolt on any of the VWs including Vanagons or Quantums if you have decent tools. I've done plenty of crank bolts on vanagons with turbo-diesels installed and haven't had any issues. Using air tools to tighten any of the VW crank bolts is just wrong.
what about the quantum 5 cyl? and all the audi's equipped with the 5? the crank bolt calls for 495 ft lbs..
Anything on a small car requiring that much torque makes me suspicious.
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#37
by
R.O.R-2.0
on 30 May, 2013 22:45
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#250 on a 2' bar does the trick.
so, basically, stand on the end of my 2ft breaker bar? lol..
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#38
by
745 turbogreasel
on 31 May, 2013 03:08
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Math to calculate foot pounds isn't rocket surgery.
Why would the torque make you suspicious? Unlike the regular VW, 5&6 cyls crank sprockets never fail unless not tight.
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#39
by
wolf_walker
on 31 May, 2013 10:17
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When a normal thing, like a crank bolt, is suddenly out of the ordinary by needing 2x the torque every other one does, that's suspicious.
I'm sure there's a reason, but is it a piece of brilliance or is it covering up a deficiency? I've learned a lot in life by questioning things
that seem odd.
The 617 Merc has a 27mm@250ft/lbs and they aren't problematic, how big is the one on the Audi 5cyl?
I'm yet to see a 1.6 VW one fail either that was not left loose, I keep hearing they do and understand the AAZ had a prob
with the serp belt. Which is the same as saying I've never seen one fail in person, since mine are never loose.
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#40
by
R.O.R-2.0
on 03 Jun, 2013 18:30
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When a normal thing, like a crank bolt, is suddenly out of the ordinary by needing 2x the torque every other one does, that's suspicious.
I'm sure there's a reason, but is it a piece of brilliance or is it covering up a deficiency? I've learned a lot in life by questioning things
that seem odd.
The 617 Merc has a 27mm@250ft/lbs and they aren't problematic, how big is the one on the Audi 5cyl?
I'm yet to see a 1.6 VW one fail either that was not left loose, I keep hearing they do and understand the AAZ had a prob
with the serp belt. Which is the same as saying I've never seen one fail in person, since mine are never loose.
the 617 takes a BIGGER crank bolt, with ALOT less torque..
the reason the audi bolt freaks me out, is i have never worked on an engine that needs ~500 ft lbs of torque on the friggen crank bolt..
250 ft lbs should be enough to keep pretty much any balancer bolted to any automotive engine...
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#41
by
wolf_walker
on 03 Jun, 2013 19:02
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Me neither on the high torque.
There is a lot more to that stuff than meets the eye though.
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#42
by
745 turbogreasel
on 03 Jun, 2013 20:53
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They are 27MM,
and you have to read carefully that NM-Ft/LB translation can be a bear;
Install vibration damper central bolt.
Vehicles with long center bolt (110 mm) :
Insert counter-hold tool 3419 and tighten crankshaft vibration damper/crankshaft toothed belt sprocket center bolt.
160 Nm (118 ft lb) plus 180°(1/2 turn additional) the additional 1/2 turn can be completed in several stages.
Vehicles with short central bolt (65 mm) :
Coat threads and bolt head contact surface of central bolt with AMV 188001 02.
Insert counterhold 3419 and secure vibration damper/crankshaft sprocket.
Tightening torque: 460 Nm (340 ft lb) .
But if you aren't big enough to tighten that, you use Audi 2079
to reduce measured torque to
250 ft/lbMy truck has a much stronger keyway
and pressed on timing gears, but still uses 4 smaller bolts at 92 ft/lb .ea for similar clamp force and bolt stretch.
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#43
by
wolf_walker
on 03 Jun, 2013 22:04
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That's a bit more reasonable.
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#44
by
R.O.R-2.0
on 12 Jun, 2013 16:30
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yes, 340 ft lbs seems alot less astronomical, albeit a bit high still...
i could live with 340 ft lbs, i can actually achieve that without a half-mile long cheater pipe!
honestly, my biggest worry, was if a single rod could handle that kinda torque..
i fill up #1 cylinder w/ soft rope (with both valves closed) to hold the crank from turning..