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Timing Question
by
dieselkick
on 29 Oct, 2012 19:47
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Ok, so I read through Vince's walk through on how to time a 1.6TD engine. Although it's very helpful, it didn't solve my problem. I have a 1.6TD that I'm installing into a 1996 Suzuki Sidekick. I'm not 100% I have it timed correctly and I'm about to change the timing belt. I have a complete engine with the flywheel, but no tranny. I can get the cam and injection pump timed (I have the dial gauge and other items needed). I just don't have reference point for the engine. I was told by the seller I could align the flywheel mark with the center of the engine to get it to TDC. Before I go blowing up an perfectly good engine I thought I would ask if anyone knows for sure.
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#1
by
madrogers
on 29 Oct, 2012 20:06
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not sure of a quik/ easy way to time with out a trans, you should post your location maybe some one would stop by with a trans and slip it on, than you could time it and make a reference pointer on the ft engine dampner for future reference.
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#2
by
dieselkick
on 30 Oct, 2012 05:58
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Evergreen, CO
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#3
by
theman53
on 30 Oct, 2012 06:57
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you could take out #1 injector or glow plug and put something soft in it to measure TDC. A straw from a WD 40 can or similar. I wouldn't time the IP that way, but you could get it close enough to get the cam, crank, and IP to where they wouldn't destroy eachother. Make sure to push toward the meat of the head to get an injector out or you could break it. Don't pull your wrench away from the head...if you don't understand don't wrench until you do.
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#4
by
TylerDurden
on 30 Oct, 2012 18:39
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I have done the straw trick, mostly to ensure the flywheel mark was ok.
IIRC, you can also push down the intake valve on #1 and hold it with a shim (or screwdriver), then carefully turn the crank one direction until the piston gently touches, mark that point, then do the same the other way... halfway between the points should be TDC.
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#5
by
8v-of-fury
on 01 Nov, 2012 17:02
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Ok, so I read through Vince's walk through on how to time a 1.6TD engine. Although it's very helpful, it didn't solve my problem. I have a 1.6TD that I'm installing into a 1996 Suzuki Sidekick. I'm not 100% I have it timed correctly and I'm about to change the timing belt. I have a complete engine with the flywheel, but no tranny. I can get the cam and injection pump timed (I have the dial gauge and other items needed). I just don't have reference point for the engine. I was told by the seller I could align the flywheel mark with the center of the engine to get it to TDC. Before I go blowing up an perfectly good engine I thought I would ask if anyone knows for sure.
So it has the Volkswagen flywheel still on it with the timing mark in it?? If so, you're in business.
This guy does not have his aligned properly..
but that little diamond cutout is your TDC mark. Put that mark in between the two top transmission bolt holes. That will be exact TDC for the crank. Because if you look, the timing hole is dead center of those two bolt holes.
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#6
by
burn_your_money
on 01 Nov, 2012 17:20
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I have a garbage tranny and a sawsall. I could send you the top piece of the tranny. IM me if you're interested.
8v, have you measured to confirm that it's dead nuts between the 2 bolts?
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#7
by
8v-of-fury
on 01 Nov, 2012 17:22
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I have timed them this way about a half dozen times (aka no tranny). And all have run, bang on. I do not know for a measurement fact, but I am 99% sure.
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#8
by
R.O.R-2.0
on 05 Nov, 2012 18:05
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Ok, so I read through Vince's walk through on how to time a 1.6TD engine. Although it's very helpful, it didn't solve my problem. I have a 1.6TD that I'm installing into a 1996 Suzuki Sidekick. I'm not 100% I have it timed correctly and I'm about to change the timing belt. I have a complete engine with the flywheel, but no tranny. I can get the cam and injection pump timed (I have the dial gauge and other items needed). I just don't have reference point for the engine. I was told by the seller I could align the flywheel mark with the center of the engine to get it to TDC. Before I go blowing up an perfectly good engine I thought I would ask if anyone knows for sure.
So it has the Volkswagen flywheel still on it with the timing mark in it?? If so, you're in business.
This guy does not have his aligned properly.. but that little diamond cutout is your TDC mark. Put that mark in between the two top transmission bolt holes. That will be exact TDC for the crank. Because if you look, the timing hole is dead center of those two bolt holes.
Jeremy, you are wrong..
the diamond notch is 6*BTDC
look just to the right of it. see the little dimple that looks like a casting flaw?
thats the TDC mark..
the TDC mark is always at the edge of that bolt hole.. ALWAYS.
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#9
by
8v-of-fury
on 05 Nov, 2012 18:08
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Yup, you are right. The diamond is NOT TDC.
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#10
by
damac
on 05 Nov, 2012 19:56
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We are talking a 1.6 vw diesel flywheel?
My bently shows a diamond mark for tdc and I have always used it. I just went out and looked at all my flywheels and they aren't even like the one pictured? Not near a bolt hole and all mine have diamonds with nothing else around. Some have the circle under the diamond.
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#11
by
JerryGTD
on 06 Nov, 2012 06:23
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We are talking a 1.6 vw diesel flywheel?
My bently shows a diamond mark for tdc and I have always used it. I just went out and looked at all my flywheels and they aren't even like the one pictured? Not near a bolt hole and all mine have diamonds with nothing else around. Some have the circle under the diamond.
I concur...
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#12
by
bbob203
on 06 Nov, 2012 06:37
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for real? the diamond isnt tdc? That circle is? I have always used the diamond as tdc.
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#13
by
rs899
on 06 Nov, 2012 07:14
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^^ for real? the diamond isnt tdc? That circle is? I have always used the diamond as tdc.
What??? Heresy. I have always taken as gospel that the diamond is TDC. I am sure the Bentley I have proclaims it (talking about the correct diesel flywheel here). We need to form a committee to study this...
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#14
by
srgtlord
on 06 Nov, 2012 10:00
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If I understand correctly, in order for the engine to fire correctly, the bottom half is off a few degrees in order to have a complete combustion. Someone correct me if I am wrong.