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1983 1.6 non turbo
by
davidmccasland
on 19 Mar, 2009 15:26
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on VWdiesel.com i found a turbo kit for $400, i was curious if i could just put this on my car and tune up the pump a little bit to match the air increase, or would i have to get new pistons sleeves head studs injectors and all that other expensive stuff?
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#1
by
kaneb
on 19 Mar, 2009 16:00
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I have a NA that came in my rabbit stock. I have a TD that im rebuilding for install for next fall after summer. I put the td's intake and exh. mani on, oil pan(for the oil return line off turbo) and the oil filter housing(for turbo oil feed line). It runs like a champ. I then turned up the IP a little and turned down the idle and it runs great. More power and mpg.
I also installed a boost gauge(running 8-10 psi) thought it would be safe to keep there since i dont want to do a head gasket on this engine and i also dont want to install a heavier clutch. Thats for the actual TD. Internals are fine as long as your egt don't go past 1200. Then melty mashy. I have an egt but it read extremly low but that could be because i still have to put on the 3" exhaust, but even then it should be pretty free flowing.
Hope this helps--Cheers
Kane
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#2
by
davidmccasland
on 19 Mar, 2009 17:18
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hey thanks alot i am actually in the process of buying this car tomorrow i'm really excited, if everything works out i would like to be able to get the hp to 100 do you have any idea what you have going?
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#3
by
kaneb
on 19 Mar, 2009 19:47
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well stock is i believe around 52 hp for the NA and around 70ft lbs of torque, TD is around 72-74- hp and around 100 ft lbs of torque i believe. Im probably a little shy of the stock TD because my IP isn't the TD IP and im lacking the boost enrichment device. MY car right now isn't for power, just to drive for the summer. My new TD will be pushing 120-130 HP im pushing. My plan on the new engine it.
-Rebuilt engine with port&polished head(might go to a 1.9 head been thinking latley) will have arp head stups might do rod studs as well
-Ported and polish intake mani.
-Intercooler
-3" exhaust straight pipe turbo back
-IP new seal kit and some slight modes
-bigger injectors
-bigger intake(already done)
-heftier clutch
-plan on pushing around 20 psi after break in.
These engine can take quite abit. I wouldn't suggest running alot of boost out of your NA unless you have a good or new head gasket and arp head studs or you might run into HG issues. Have free flowing exhaust to get your egt's and down. Don't run it like its stolen all the time and you should be fine to get up to 80-95 horse out of an NA and be fine as a daily.
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#4
by
8v-of-fury
on 19 Mar, 2009 22:09
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well stock is i believe around 52 hp for the NA and around 70ft lbs of torque, TD is around 72-74- hp and around 100 ft lbs of torque i believe.
Don't run it like its stolen all the time and you should be fine to get up to 80-95 horse out of an NA and be fine as a daily.
if a stock TD with LDA pushes out 72-74 hp, how will he reach 85-90 hp on an engine that doesn't have and LDA? without the the fuel enrichment the engine won't have adequate fueling to reach those numbers. It will have more power and better efficiency than a stock N/a but not more than a TD and not 90 hp
Unless i misread the post by far and missed that he said he was getting a "super pump"?
None-the-less yes the N/a engine will handle a turbo and even high boost numbers with a metal hg and studs. You gotta keep the heat down though
But if your looking to run stock boost (10-11 psi) you should be good with a moderate jump in fueling.
so in to put it bluntly.. Yes you can buy that and slap it on! it will greatly increase the performance and economy of your n/a engine
goodluck!
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#5
by
kaneb
on 20 Mar, 2009 15:41
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right you are, i was meaning the block and head itself should be fine to run upwards of 90hp with out issues. Forgot to write in he will need a pump with LDA.
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#6
by
8v-of-fury
on 20 Mar, 2009 16:02
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right you are, i was meaning the block and head itself should be fine to run upwards of 90hp with out issues. Forgot to write in he will need a pump with LDA.
LOL it alll makes sense now
Sorry bout that, we are both right
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#7
by
ObscuredByClouds
on 21 Mar, 2009 08:03
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NA pumps can produce the same power.
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#8
by
8v-of-fury
on 21 Mar, 2009 08:51
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NA pumps can produce the same power.
doesnt the fuel screw have to be all the way in? meaning until you made boost, you'd smoke like a bugger?
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#9
by
kaneb
on 21 Mar, 2009 11:53
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it could do it but wouldn't be nearly as effiecent as a pump with the LDA.
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#10
by
Rabbit on Roids
on 21 Mar, 2009 12:09
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i was told that LDA pumps dont put out anymore fuel than a N/A pump with the fuel pin taken out and the fuel screw turned up. they are the same internals pretty much, from what i understand. and it makes sense. cause the LDA just limits the fuel when there is no boost. so you dont get the black smoke off idle and at low speeds like i do.
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#11
by
8v-of-fury
on 21 Mar, 2009 21:47
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i was told that LDA pumps dont put out anymore fuel than a N/A pump with the fuel pin taken out and the fuel screw turned up. they are the same internals pretty much, from what i understand. and it makes sense. cause the LDA just limits the fuel when there is no boost. so you dont get the black smoke off idle and at low speeds like i do.
that's true.. the LDA works in an automatic way of turning the fuel screw per say. It sees boost then raises fuel. On an n/a pump with the fuel up for good boost power, you'd have dick all before u made boost tho
lol
They are the same internals as the heads with and without the LDA can be swapped from what I have read. meaning they have the ability to match each other in fuel pumping ability.
You can run an N/a pump and make yourself a very economical little car, or you can use the TD pump, make some good power and peddle your mileage away with your new found awesomeness
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#12
by
davidmccasland
on 21 Mar, 2009 21:52
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hey if i dont have a radiator cap do i just fill the overflow tank with coolant and have it drain in?
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#13
by
8v-of-fury
on 22 Mar, 2009 08:59
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hey if i dont have a radiator cap do i just fill the overflow tank with coolant and have it drain in?
yes sir, that its theoretically your "rad cap" lol Im not sure if all diesels came with separate over flow tanks.. or just mk2's... i dunno. lol but yes. put it in the over flow tank.
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#14
by
Rabbit on Roids
on 22 Mar, 2009 10:21
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ive never seen a diesel without an overflow tank. i do own a radiator with an actual radiator cap tho, and it doesnt have a hook up for an overflow tank. but i love the overflow tank, easy way to glance down and see if you have coolant or not.