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#15
by
dieselwagen
on 20 Sep, 2008 17:34
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volkswagen fox
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#16
by
dieselwagen
on 20 Sep, 2008 17:36
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Power to the Wagon build up, I'll be watching with interest, and with my new found love for diesel, I think I'm scrapping my ideas of a 2.0 gas for a 1.9td after seeing a couple threads about converting the Fox Wagon! A couple shots of where I'm at:
The advice for a 5-speed is a good one, if I'm not mistaken, the (86-87) Audi 4000s, just a front wheeler, had the best ratio's over any Fox 5 speed.
Dude, best of luck, lemme know if I can help via Internet!
yea, save the squares.
audi grille looks oem, i'm sure some audi rims will look good too
vw foxes are getting close to extinction.
nice to see more clean examples out there on the road.
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#17
by
Dirtrag2
on 21 Sep, 2008 06:22
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The 2P (Which I think is the transmission you're referring to) has some good, tightly spaced gears. Excellent for acceleration, but it's all geared too short to really do well with a diesel.
PSA: 3.45 1.79 1.13 .83 .68
Final Drive 4.11
2P: 3.45 1.94 1.29 .97 .8
Final Drive 4.11
3M: 3.45 1.94 1.29 .91 .73
Final Drive 4.11
The 3M seems a good compromise between the 2P and the PSA, with the 2P's tighter spaced front three gears but longer legged 4th and 5th for better cruise economy.
there is also the 2N but i think it was a hydraulic clutch set up... I think I'll leave the tranny for last in this project, I have allot of work to do before worrying about gear ratios
Have to strip it and do some body repairs to the underside and then fresh paint before tackling any mechanics.
Nice wagon there FoxBoxRacing :lol: just needs to be slammed down aprox 1.5 inches for those rims to really look great ( and also better handelling ) Keep tunning in, I plan to start work on it in a couple of weeks and hope to have it all together before next spring
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#18
by
FoXBoXRaCiNG
on 21 Sep, 2008 08:40
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Sorry 'bout the big pics :oops: My bad on the tranny, we were setting up the Wagon for drag racing, hence the short gearing on my suggestion... Now it's about economy, AAZ with some tall gearing in 4 n 5 would be prime!
Wire wheel on a grinder, then Rust-Mort with a Windex sprayer srayed from inside out (through and a round the rust holes) are my suggestion to save the bubble back in the paint, then maybe some short hair fiberglass bondo stuff! Paint on the Wagon is 3 years, doing the same to my daily tudor mkii idi Jetta!
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#19
by
VW Fox
on 22 Sep, 2008 06:21
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there is also the 2N but i think it was a hydraulic clutch set up... I think I'll leave the tranny for last in this project, I have allot of work to do before worrying about gear ratios
Nope, all 014s and 013s use a mechanical clutch. The only transmission that needs a "modification" is the 2P which has 100mm flanges vs. 90mm on all others.
If you're going to have the 4-speed out, you really should upgrade to a 5-speed while you're at it. There's no excuse at that point
The tighter gearing and 4.111 (vs. 3.889) final drive helps acceleration. As I recall, I was faster by about a second in 0-100km/h when going from the stock VW Fox 4-speed (PW) to Quantum TD 5-speed (9Q).
I've got a 5M (0.600 5th) in my Dasher attached to the 1.6TD. If you're after the tallest gearing, this is it. The 5M transmission came in the 1.7L Audi 4000s and VW Quantums so it isn't the easiest transmission to find. But even a stock Fox PSA will be a nice upgrade over the PW, and should be easy to find.
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#20
by
FoXBoXRaCiNG
on 15 Oct, 2008 09:27
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Hows the projekt koming along?
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#21
by
Dirtrag2
on 15 Nov, 2008 05:59
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Still sitting in my driveway
I have yet to transform my Shed into a Garage first to have a proper place to work on the beastie. Should get going on it sometime before Christmass and hopefully have it dove in time for spring. i'll keep yous posted on progress.
by the way if anyone has an intake mani off a 87-89 fox I'm looking
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#22
by
53 willys
on 15 Nov, 2008 07:39
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o man I was all excited thinking we would see a better update on this project!!!
come-on get to work!!! :lol: :lol:
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#23
by
dubbinchris
on 19 Nov, 2008 14:44
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I will be following this thread.
IMO the QTD Trans will be your best bet for this conversion...
Quick shots of my wagon...
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#24
by
Dirtrag2
on 19 Nov, 2008 19:24
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IMO the QTD Trans will be your best bet for this conversion...
what does it come out of :?:
and... you wouldn't happen to have gear ratios would you :lol:
nice wagon by the way! R those BBS rims?
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#25
by
FoXBoXRaCiNG
on 19 Nov, 2008 21:54
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Second pic fer sure, just as DonK as FoX BoX :lol:
Anyone ever look into coilovers for a WaGoN? Always dreamt of having a 5 lug setup off a 5k, fab some heinous wheel wells to accommodate, maybe add a Q, then a wet dream of a T...
http://www.lunaticfringe.org/vwfox/registry/029.htmlSome more inspiration :wink:
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#26
by
Turbinepowered
on 20 Nov, 2008 01:16
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IMO the QTD Trans will be your best bet for this conversion...
what does it come out of :?:
and... you wouldn't happen to have gear ratios would you :lol:
nice wagon by the way! R those BBS rims?
QTD: Quantum Turbo Diesel. Comes in two flavors of the same transmission, the 3M and the 9Q. With these, you get:
1st: 3.455
2nd: 1.944
3rd: 1.286
4th: .909
5th: .730
FD: 4.11
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#27
by
Dirtrag2
on 20 Nov, 2008 05:04
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thanks turbinepowered!
I ran the ratio's thru a simulator and it would seem a bit short for a dailly driver, 115Kph = 3200 Rpm
2M from quantum out of a '81-'82 quantum would do nice... may be hard to find tho :roll:
I'll be running 195/50/15 tires
1st 3.455
2nd 1.700
3rd 1.065
4th .778
5th .600
final 4.111 115Kph = 2600Rpm 5000 Rpm = 220Kph :twisted:
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#28
by
VW Fox
on 20 Nov, 2008 06:48
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2M from quantum out of a '81-'82 quantum would do nice... may be hard to find tho :roll:
That's what I've got in my Dasher, attached to a 1.6TD. If you're looking for economy, definitely try to find one of these. Acceleration is good too, definitely better than the stock VW Fox 4-speed. Remember that they came in Audi 4000s too, 4-cyl 1.7L 8v gas (code 2M and 5M).
With the Dasher rather loaded down I achieved 4.4 L/100km at 120 km/h and 3.9L/100km at 110 km/h on B20 (Toronto-Columbus-Toronto).
5000 Rpm = 220Kph
Only 5000 RPM? You need to talk to Giles! :!:
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#29
by
Dirtrag2
on 20 Nov, 2008 16:42
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Only 5000 RPM? You need to talk to Giles!
Haha, I already figured on that! :lol: I'll be running 25+psi thru FMIC so I think I would rather be conservative and not rev the $h!t out of it than run high RPM and grenade my motor.
2M or 5M are my best bets, not many lying around in my neck of the woods