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Projekt Fox by Dirtrag2 on 08 Sep, 2008 19:07
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I've finally got her home, my '88 Fox Wagon, with full intentions of fitting my AAZ under the hood. I drove a total of 500 km to pick her up today, I rented a tow dolly as I thought it would be better than a Tow-bar and Whoah what a rough ride... :? Should've gone with the bar ! in any case she is home and I will be starting with the removal of all interior stuff this next weekend to see the extent of the rust on the floor and other hidden parts. I'll post some pics tomorrow as now i am too tired to even think.
here is a list of what has been done to motor and what will come. any advise is more than welcome :lol:
done:
complete engine rebuild from crank bearings up
T3 turbo
EGT and oil pressure gauges
comming
ARP head studs ( should i do anything else while engine is apart ? )
3" exhaust from turbo back
FMIC
stage 2 clutch
lightened flywheel? ( or should I use the 8v flywheel from the Fox )
lift pump
if I can afford it a Gilles superpump
then maybe water injection
whell that's all 4 now, i'll post pics tomorrow :arrow: -
#1 by VW Fox on 09 Sep, 2008 08:17
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Always great to read about someone working on a Fox!
Thoughts:
- Have you thought about which transmission you'll use? All wagons were 4-speed from the factory, so you'll need the entire 5-speed linkage if upgrading (which I'd recommend).
- How much taller is the AAZ? Will the injection pump clear the hood? An ABA block under a counter-flow gas head clears fine, for comparison.
- The longitudinal layout will result in some really short intercooler piping.
- Will the Fox (or Quantum TD, since it has an oil return bung) oilpan bolt up to the AAZ?
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#2 by Dirtrag2 on 10 Sep, 2008 03:48
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here are some pics...
Here She be, just got home
front view
Side view
Dash as is ( before mods )
only 110KM on car so pretty clean inside too
Shock towers, no rust :lol:
engine bay with what's left of 1.8 8V gasser... Yuck
Quote- Have you thought about which transmission you'll use? All wagons were 4-speed from the factory, so you'll need the entire 5-speed linkage if upgrading (which I'd recommend).
- How much taller is the AAZ? Will the injection pump clear the hood? An ABA block under a counter-flow gas head clears fine, for comparison.
4 speed should be good for now with a 3.889 final and a .778 4th gives me 2875 RPM at 110Kmh
as for the IP clearing the hood, well I don't know... Ricer hood scoop if need be I guess :roll: -
#3 by VW Fox on 10 Sep, 2008 07:12
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Looks good!
More thoughts:
- you've got the early-style dashboard, which is better in my opinion. It has a bigger glovebox (an actually usable one) and both a radio-slot and a cubby-hole underneath. Later dashboards have a knee-bar across the bottom which reduces the glovebox size and eliminates the radio slot, moving it to the floor console. I think all of the early ones have a choke-cable hole that's plugged, which could be used for the cold-start-device cable.
- what dashboard mods are you planning on?
- Adding a tachometer is easy, just get a whole instrument cluster with tachometer from another Fox. All of the wiring (for gas application) is already in the car. Wiring it to work with the TD, I don't know how to do.
- Are you keeping the A/C? Those push-button controls in the dashboard are vacuum-operated. Depending on what the factory put in, the heater valve might be vacuum-operated too.
- The 5-speed transmissions have tighter gearing than the 4-speed, giving you better acceleration. They really transform the car. My Fox went from 4-speed to the 9Q 5-speed, and with the TD swap in the Dasher it first had the Fox's 4-speed and now has a 5M 5-speed. Since you're building the engine for power, you really should transfer it to the ground "faster". All you need is a 5-speed transmission and the whole shifter linkage including the "box" inside the car. It bolts right in.
- Just brainstorming about the hood clearance. Foxes only had diesels in Argentina (as VW Gacel) as far as I know, and even there it was only NA.
- You'll likely need an oil filter bracket from something other than transverse AAZ (assuming the oil filter is in the same place as most other VW 4-cyls). If the bolt pattern is the same as a 1.8L 8v gas, then the Fox one will bolt up (duh). If the bolt pattern is the same as ABA/1.8T, a 1.8T (AEB?) one will bolt up and will have enough extra tapped holes for oil feed.
- If wanting to put an oil pressure sensor in the back of the cylinder head, make sure it'll clear the battery.
- Way to make me rack my brain
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#4 by zukgod1 on 10 Sep, 2008 07:43
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I really like Fox's.
A friend has a nice white one for sale locally. If I wasn't so damn concerned about having AC I would snag it and do a TD conversion.
Maybe I should snag it for winter driving.. Hmmmm... -
#5 by the caveman on 10 Sep, 2008 10:49
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I love foxes. I've had 2 and they were both tanks. Once drove from Montreal to Chicago and back with basically no clutch. Often wanted to drop in a diesel, the only real problem i saw was having to fab a special narrow deep radiator as to make room for the IP. Never really measured it out though. Sold the last one to buy a 98 TDI whose body was worse then the 89 fox. Last time i heard from the guy i sold it to, told me it had passed 450,000 kms . original HG
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#6 by Dirtrag2 on 10 Sep, 2008 12:16
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Quote from: "VW Fox"
Looks good!
More thoughts:
1- what dashboard mods are you planning on?
2- Are you keeping the A/C? Those push-button controls in the dashboard are vacuum-operated. Depending on what the factory put in, the heater valve might be vacuum-operated too.
3- You'll likely need an oil filter bracket from something other than transverse AAZ (assuming the oil filter is in the same place as most other VW 4-cyls). If the bolt pattern is the same as a 1.8L 8v gas, then the Fox one will bolt up (duh). If the bolt pattern is the same as ABA/1.8T, a 1.8T (AEB?) one will bolt up and will have enough extra tapped holes for oil feed.
4- If wanting to put an oil pressure sensor in the back of the cylinder head, make sure it'll clear the battery.
5- Way to make me rack my brain
1- Gauges and tach at the very least, maybe try to fit my MK3 jetta dash in...
2-I'll figure a way to run the a/c with the vaccum pump on my IDI
3-oil filter will be remote mount if the 8v brackets won't fit
4-Battery will be relocated to Trunk :wink:
5- I appreciate your input, all comments are welcomed as they will help me sort out this build
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#7 by Turbinepowered on 10 Sep, 2008 13:52
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AC? Vacuum pump? Just run the line from the gas intake manifold to your vacuum pump, voila, everything works. The climate control system sees only vacuum, not IM vacuum or pump vacuum.
The radiator width on a stock Fox is fine for clearing the IP.
I'm working up a set of brackets to move my alternator over... haven't had much time lately to work on the car, working two jobs and seven days a week.
Not familiar at all with an AAZ engine, but the oil filter mount from the Fox engine moved over from it to a 1.5D with no problems. The oil filter is much bigger which makes it a bit of a tighter clearance in the Fox, but still workable.
The cylinder head pressure sensor clears just fine, it's no bigger than the stock sensor on the Fox and you have inches to spare. -
#8 by Dirtrag2 on 10 Sep, 2008 17:08
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Quote from: "Turbinepowered"
AC? Vacuum pump? Just run the line from the gas intake manifold to your vacuum pump, voila, everything works. The climate control system sees only vacuum, not IM vacuum or pump vacuum.
uhhh, corect me if I'm wrong but seeing as I run close to 30 psi won't my intake see positive psi as opposed to vaccum? not sure but me thinks... :? -
#9 by fatmobile on 10 Sep, 2008 21:50
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Not just a Fox,... a Fox wagon yeaah.
I love those, there's one around here that I keep eyeing.
Looking forward to more great info being added to this post. -
#10 by Turbinepowered on 11 Sep, 2008 01:38
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Quote from: "Dirtrag2"Quote from: "Turbinepowered"
AC? Vacuum pump? Just run the line from the gas intake manifold to your vacuum pump, voila, everything works. The climate control system sees only vacuum, not IM vacuum or pump vacuum.
uhhh, corect me if I'm wrong but seeing as I run close to 30 psi won't my intake see positive psi as opposed to vaccum? not sure but me thinks... :?
Line formerly connected to the (gasser) intake manifold, now connected to the vacuum pump.
Sorry, wasn't very clear, was I? :oops: I meant that the climate control box can't tell the difference between vac pump vacuum and closed-throttle-plate intake vacuum. -
#11 by VW Fox on 12 Sep, 2008 06:47
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Quote from: "Dirtrag2"
1- Gauges and tach at the very least, maybe try to fit my MK3 jetta dash in...
2-I'll figure a way to run the a/c with the vaccum pump on my IDI
3-oil filter will be remote mount if the 8v brackets won't fit
4-Battery will be relocated to Trunk :wink:
5- I appreciate your input, all comments are welcomed as they will help me sort out this build
1) Gotcha. I've seen a sectioned Corrado dashboard in a Fox, but that's about it. If you're getting rid of the dashboard that's in there and it's in good shape, let me know.
2) Here's the factory A/C setup in a Dasher. The crankshaft runs the A/C compressor, which in turn runs the alternator.
3) I got my AEB flange cheap, because most guys who buy a longitudinal 1.8T swap it into something transverse and don't need the oil filter flange.
4) That kinda limits the cargo area of the wagon, though. FYI: there's a factory cargo area cover available, but it's pretty tough to find. For Turbinepowered: I'm talking about the sensor for a VDO oil pressure gauge. It's a little "can" thing vs. just the 24mm-head stock pressure switch. The stock oil pressure switch clears the battery and battery tray fine. -
#12 by Turbinepowered on 12 Sep, 2008 08:10
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If you intend to use the Dasher AC setup and brackets, you will need to cut off the snubber mount that's part of the front of the AC bracket. It's in the wrong place for a Fox's front torque stop. Put the Fox snubber on.
[edit] Oh, and you'll need the whole Dasher AC setup. Brackets, alternator mount, compressor, and very likely the crank pulley. It's all heavy, blocky and that pulley will be a PITA to deal with once it's on the engine and in the car.
Thus why I'm building a bracket to use the Fox pulleys and compressor. -
#13 by FoXBoXRaCiNG on 20 Sep, 2008 11:53
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Power to the Wagon build up, I'll be watching with interest, and with my new found love for diesel, I think I'm scrapping my ideas of a 2.0 gas for a 1.9td after seeing a couple threads about converting the Fox Wagon! A couple shots of where I'm at:
The advice for a 5-speed is a good one, if I'm not mistaken, the (86-87) Audi 4000s, just a front wheeler, had the best ratio's over any Fox 5 speed.
Dude, best of luck, lemme know if I can help via Internet! -
#14 by Turbinepowered on 20 Sep, 2008 12:29
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The 2P (Which I think is the transmission you're referring to) has some good, tightly spaced gears. Excellent for acceleration, but it's all geared too short to really do well with a diesel.
PSA: 3.45 1.79 1.13 .83 .68
Final Drive 4.11
2P: 3.45 1.94 1.29 .97 .8
Final Drive 4.11
3M: 3.45 1.94 1.29 .91 .73
Final Drive 4.11
The 3M seems a good compromise between the 2P and the PSA, with the 2P's tighter spaced front three gears but longer legged 4th and 5th for better cruise economy.