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• first time with timing tools by carrizog60 on 23 Oct, 2007 05:37
• hello
  
  i just bought a timing tools kit and i would appreciate a little help on working with this...
  
  the kit is this:
  
  
  
  
  
  can someone explain what need to be put together and how does the gauge adjusters work?
  
  sorry for the newbieness :oops:
• #1 by burn_your_money on 23 Oct, 2007 07:10
• ok basically there is a 12mm bolt on the end of the pump. Remove that and then thread in one of the shafts. Then slide in one of those smaller rods then screw the dial gauge onto the shaft and preload it to 1.00mm
• #2 by subsonic on 23 Oct, 2007 07:15
• I am going to be doing the same thing shortly, and asking the same questions.  How about doing a how to pictoral and putting it in the FAQ?  I kind of need to see things along with reading the directions to get a better understaning of the process.
• #3 by burn_your_money on 23 Oct, 2007 07:59
• Here is a bit of a FAQ Benjamin and I made, feel free to contribute but I will delete questions from the thread (the FAQ, not this one)
  
  http://vwdiesel.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=10569
• #4 by carrizog60 on 23 Oct, 2007 12:53
• how can i reset to zero?
  and to preload?
  the only way of the needle to move is pressing forward...or not?
  the smaller adjuster on the "side" of the gauge doesn't move...and has a plastic piece between gauge and adjuster...should be removed to work?whats is function?
  what for is the parts shown in the 3 picture?
  one is solid and the other (U shaped) is for?lock the camshaft?how?
  
  
  sorry for all the questions but a "timing tools introduction /presentation and diy timing for dumb ass newbies" is required...
  something like " insert this into this, this way.." :lol:  :oops:  :oops:
• #5 by Vincent Waldon on 23 Oct, 2007 14:53
• Quote from: "burn_your_money"

  Here is a bit of a FAQ Benjamin and I made, feel free to contribute but I will delete questions from the thread (the FAQ, not this one)
  
  http://vwdiesel.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=10569

  
  
  I'm working on a pictoral HOW-TO as well, since it's a bit tricky and comes up all the time... but it's about a month away...
  
  You "zero" the gauge by rotating the dial until the needle points to 0.
  
  "Pre-load" means making sure the dial gauge has some room to travel ie isn't at the end of its range.
  
  The long bar locks the camshaft at exactly TDC... best bet is to look up the proceedure in the Bentley.. there are pictures of both the cam lock in action and how the dial indicator fits into the pump.
• #6 by slorimer on 23 Oct, 2007 15:31
• Hey carrizog60
  
  Where did you get that timing tool kit?  How much?
• #7 by rabfan on 23 Oct, 2007 17:22
• Yeah, that's a nice one for sure. It blows the kit I just bought away......
• #8 by jolotter on 23 Oct, 2007 21:45
• That is a nice kit.  My gauge, as well as reading in inches (I measure lumber in inches, cars in mm,) has some significant side to side play at the end of the extention.  I think it drags up the cam lobe and gives me a lower reading than actual.  That translates to more advance, not so bad, so long as you account for it.  I think I'll make a guide bushing to put in the end of the adapter.
  
  I also ground some flats on the adapter so I could get my 17mm wrench on to snug it up.
  
  Johann
• #9 by carrizog60 on 24 Oct, 2007 10:10
• the kit came from ebay,62€ with dispache to portugal from germany.
  as soon as i get home i will provide the link :wink:
  
  edit:
  
  http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330179976466&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RCRX_Pr4_PcY_BIN_IT&refitem=330173847643&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&usedrule1=CrossSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget
  
   :wink:
  
  can anyone scan the bentley on this procedure?
• #10 by carrizog60 on 28 Oct, 2007 11:54
• hope its not forgotten...
• #11 by numbnuts on 28 Oct, 2007 15:45
• so do i need a kit like this to change the timing belt? I am gonna do it at xmas, but was planning on marking up the pulley positions, and just sliding off the belt and replacing as with every other petrol golf cambelt i have done. Is this not the way to do it then? :oops:
• #12 by tylernt on 28 Oct, 2007 21:54
• Quote from: "numbnuts"

  so do i need a kit like this to change the timing belt? I am gonna do it at xmas, but was planning on marking up the pulley positions, and just sliding off the belt and replacing as with every other petrol golf cambelt i have done. Is this not the way to do it then? :oops:

  It's recommended that you adjust the timing with a new belt. If you don't mess with the pump mounting bolts, the timing will theoretically not change much. In practice, I have no idea. What we need to do is have someone check the timing with an old belt, replace the belt, and check the timing again to see if it moved and if it's still within spec.
  
  Part of the reason they want you to adjust the pump timing is because you are supposed to reset the cam timing (no keyway on the cam sprocket) too.
• #13 by Ziptar on 29 Oct, 2007 05:35
• Not to thread jack but, I just bought a set of VW Specialty tools on ebay.
  
  Looks like almost every thing I need to change a timing belt is there except the locking pin. I can get the Pin fro $9.50 from
   zdmak.com, they are actually based in Sarasota only a half hour from me.
  
  
  
  is this the correct tool for measuring belt tension?
  http://www.zdmak.com/wbstore/main.asp?action=PROD&PROD=MK-142BG&CTMP=1
  
  Is it worth having for $50?
• #14 by tylernt on 29 Oct, 2007 07:24
• Nice kit. Is the socket-on-a-handle for the struts?
  
  You can use a deep socket in place of the pump locking tool.
  
  The tensioning tool would be nice to have... I can twist my belt 45* but I still worry about the correct tension. I guess for Mk3 and later Bentleys, the book requires the tool instead of offering the alternate twist method. But $50? Yikes.