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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: Malleabis on January 03, 2014, 04:35:46 pm
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I'd like to swap my laggy t3 out with a k14, but the bolt-on vw versions (4 bolt trapezoid mount) seem to be mostly unavailable.
There are some cheap k14's on ebay for "vw transporter" that have a weird 3-bolt square-port. I was thinking I might be able to make that work by drilling my manifold.
Like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/K14-VW-T4-Transporter-ACV-AUF-AYC-2-5-TDI-turbocharger-53149887018-turbo-charger-/261002209110?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cc4f1a756&vxp=mtr
Does anyone know what the dimensions of that mount are? similar to the VW t3/k24's?
I've also seen k14's with 3-bolt triangle mount, with a round port. I think I've seen a k14 from an AAZ with this same mounting, and a peugeot k14 on ebay like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PEUGEOT-CITROEN-ZX-1-9-DIESEL-TURBOCHARGER-53149707012-K14-116-326-951730664-/301054857242?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item461844901a
Does anyone know of easily available manifolds to fit these cheap/common turbos? Are the AAZ 3-bolt triangle mount manifolds hard to find? available new somewhere for cheap? Thanks.
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Trying to make this work with my 1.6td.
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Burn your money can get them new for $800. They are the AAZ version as well so a Bigger exhaust side.
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Burn your money can get them new for $800. They are the AAZ version as well so a Bigger exhaust side.
I would say a Holset HE211W capable of a proven 170+whp 1.6TD for 600$ shippped would be more bang for the bucks ;)
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Burn your money can get them new for $800. They are the AAZ version as well so a Bigger exhaust side.
I would say a Holset HE211W capable of a proven 170+whp 1.6TD for 600$ shippped would be more bang for the bucks ;)
ok but what will give me boost BEFORE the engine hits the red line?
it's low-end power i worry about on my 1.6
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30psi at 2500rpm on the HE211W
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I haven't driven my 1.6 since November 11th 2013, but I have the slightly bigger HE 221w. It spools very well, not as good as a VNT 15, but better than a K24. I would assume the HE211w would be even better spooling. I think if you are having issues with spool there are some things to try before a turbo: Exhaust pipe, Down pipe, Intake Manifold, Injection pump, intercooler and intercooler piping size to name a few. Also, what kind of expectation do you have? I liked the K24 I had, except it ran out of air, I liked the Hybrid T3 I had but it blew up 2 times. I really don't like smaller turbos as they run out of air so fast, especially on ported heads that I have used. You may love something that boosts at idle, but is spent by 3,500 RPM is why I ask. My MK2 has an AGS trans that I had a 3,67 R&P put in, so running out of air and shifting early really stinks as I have plenty of gear left. If you have a closer ratio box you maybe shifting anyway.
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the holset isnt a bolt on though so probably at least $200 worth of parts and time.
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the holset isnt a bolt on though so probably at least $200 worth of parts and time.
Nor are some of the K14's he listed for a less and worse turbo.
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Yeah, but bbob posted that BYM can get new AAZ bolt-on K14 for $800.
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Yeah, but bbob posted that BYM can get new AAZ bolt-on K14 for $800.
Yes this. I agree if you want to do fabbing I would rather get the holset than make some generic k14 from another vehicle work.
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6 one way 1/2 dozen the other if you had 600 in the holset and 200 in fab for 800 or 800 for the k14. Since all holsets come factory with the 360 degree main bearing I would get it if it were even a 300 difference to the holset's disadvantage. That bearing costs around 100.00 by itself for the k14. When I put the 360 on the T3 it was night and day difference over the stock 270 degree bearing.
It will come down to how much does he want to spend and what goals for his setup will he have.
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Yeah, but bbob posted that BYM can get new AAZ bolt-on K14 for $800.
It's true. I might be able to knock a few dollars off that price. My supplier seems to be extra favourable to me lately...
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6 one way 1/2 dozen the other if you had 600 in the holset and 200 in fab for 800 or 800 for the k14. Since all holsets come factory with the 360 degree main bearing I would get it if it were even a 300 difference to the holset's disadvantage. That bearing costs around 100.00 by itself for the k14. When I put the 360 on the T3 it was night and day difference over the stock 270 degree bearing.
It will come down to how much does he want to spend and what goals for his setup will he have.
you think turbo rebuilder guy that did my turbo would put in a 360 bearing into mine for a decent price?
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it will need rebalanced and he will probably charge full price plus 100 dollars as the 360 degree is an upgrade not included in the regular kit.
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hmmmm, I will check out that holset. In an ideal world I'd find a k14 in a junkyard for $100 and get it rebuilt. Not looking to spend a lot of money.
I'm still running factory exhaust and downpipe. I kind of wanted to settle on a turbo before I fab a custom down pipe though. Will do a 2.5" or 3" downpipe and exhaust eventually, as well as a small FMIC. Not looking to boost over 20psi. Power goal of 125~135hp.
This is my daily driver, and all my driving is between 1700~3100rpm, so I would like a smaller turbo that will make good boost around 2k rpm. With my t3 and current setup I can feel the boost just begin to build right as I shift near 3krpm, and then rpms drop too low to keep it going. Feels like I'm not taking advantage of the turbo.
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holset he211w can make 30 psi at 2500 rpm i think it is.
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If you rebuilt your T3 with a 360 degree bearing and did the 2.5" all the way back you should see full boost by 3,000. Mine would start boosting @1,400 or so.
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Thanks. I saw some pretty cheap T3 rebuild kits on ebay for $50-60 with 360* bearings. I know they're Chinese... have a better source? I know gpopshop has a good reputation, but didn't see 360* available as part of their standard kits.
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360 thrust bearing won't have any effect on spool, only reliability at high boost
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360 thrust bearing won't have any effect on spool, only reliability at high boost
That is wrong sir. Not only have I experienced it with my own turbo, the professional turbo rebuilder I go to told me so. Think about it...turbo shaft thrust floating on 360 degrees of oil or floating on 270 degrees of oil. The 270 degree bearing there is a ton more drag which hurts spool. That drag is also friction which could be why they don't last as long as the 270? There is a ton more cushion with the extra oil which is why it both helps with longevity and spool.