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General Information => General => Topic started by: Vangruver on April 23, 2012, 03:45:00 pm

Title: quality of Diesel between Canada, and the USA
Post by: Vangruver on April 23, 2012, 03:45:00 pm
Hi,

pretty random inquiry, but seeing is how fuel in general is cheaper in the United States it leads me to question the quality of the diesel south of the border.

I have a nexus card and live a 30 minute drive from the Washington state border, so crossing there is as easy as flashing my card, and telling the border patrol my intentions. No waiting in a 45-60 minute line up at a busy crossing.

I do know that the busier the station the better chance of having fuel cycle through quickly resulting in generally cleaner fuel.

But is there a big difference in actual quality between refinement of Canadian diesel, and American?
Title: Re: quality of Diesel between Canada, and the USA
Post by: dieselweasel on April 23, 2012, 04:55:42 pm
The main reason we pay more for fuel in Canada is because it is taxed higher here (surprise surprise).  I'm willing to bet there is little to no difference between the diesel in Vancouver and Washington state.  I wouldn't be surprised if it came from the same refinery. 
Title: Re: quality of Diesel between Canada, and the USA
Post by: Vangruver on April 23, 2012, 06:25:50 pm
The main reason we pay more for fuel in Canada is because it is taxed higher here (surprise surprise).  I'm willing to bet there is little to no difference between the diesel in Vancouver and Washington state.  I wouldn't be surprised if it came from the same refinery. 

good enough information for me.

Thanks!
Title: Re: quality of Diesel between Canada, and the USA
Post by: 8v-of-fury on April 23, 2012, 06:40:42 pm
dieselweasel, Central ON? where abouts?
Title: Re: quality of Diesel between Canada, and the USA
Post by: mystery3 on April 23, 2012, 10:30:28 pm
I wouldn't be surprised if it came from the same refinery. 

I wouldn't be surprised either, down here in the states apparently we'd rather go bankrupt than raise taxes on anything, so our goods are cheap and our unemployment rate high.
Title: Re: quality of Diesel between Canada, and the USA
Post by: RabbitJockey on April 24, 2012, 02:30:28 pm
we'd rather bend over and let our politicians waste our money on companies that are going to fail anyways and foreign wars in countries that have nothing to do with us.  why raise taxes they can't manage the money they already get.  and then the one group that stands up holds all the over paid ceos, unconstitutional bail outs, and crooked politicians accountable for the crazy(illegal) stuff they've done gets publicly ridiculed and shut down(occupy movement.)  but thats just my .02 political rant that has nothing to do with diesel fuel
Title: Re: quality of Diesel between Canada, and the USA
Post by: theman53 on April 24, 2012, 04:32:52 pm
Yeah I shouldn't be too political but I feel the government needs to die. Reboot it to 1776 and start again.

I should say from here on out we should try to not make posts like ^... try to keep on target here.
Title: Re: quality of Diesel between Canada, and the USA
Post by: mystery3 on April 24, 2012, 09:31:58 pm
My comment was only vaguely related to the cost difference in diesel between the two countries, I'll try to keep political statements to a minimum.
Title: Re: quality of Diesel between Canada, and the USA
Post by: dieselweasel on April 25, 2012, 03:08:49 am
dieselweasel, Central ON? where abouts?

Lindsay.  I actually work in Orillia so no doubt we have crossed paths before.
Title: Re: quality of Diesel between Canada, and the USA
Post by: theman53 on April 25, 2012, 05:14:27 am
My comment was only vaguely related to the cost difference in diesel between the two countries, I'll try to keep political statements to a minimum.
yes, I was talking more about my comment. The ones previous were mild but I can see where it would lead.
Title: Re: quality of Diesel between Canada, and the USA
Post by: clbanman on April 25, 2012, 09:42:30 am
Considering that we don't refine our own oil, but ship the raw product to the U.S. and then buy back the refined product, I wouldn't think Canadian fuel has any qualitative difference.
Title: Re: quality of Diesel between Canada, and the USA
Post by: Vangruver on April 27, 2012, 08:24:45 am
Considering that we don't refine our own oil, but ship the raw product to the U.S. and then buy back the refined product, I wouldn't think Canadian fuel has any qualitative difference.

Depends on where in the country you live in.

I live up a hill from a Chevron Refinery, and I have friends that are employees of that refinery. They don't get discounts on fuel, but then again they aren't in the engineering process of the fuel.

This refinery trucks fuel to the areas of vancouver. It's still at a minimum of 20-25 cent's more per liter in Vancouver than it is in Blaine Washington.
Title: Re: quality of Diesel between Canada, and the USA
Post by: fdnyguy on April 27, 2012, 08:34:38 am
Yeah I shouldn't be too political but I feel the government needs to die. Reboot it to 1776 and start again.

I should say from here on out we should try to not make posts like ^... try to keep on target here.

While in Canada {great country, but they talk funny.. :)}, I did not notice any difference in diesel but price.

And I'll second your reboot to 1776. We need a third party of blue collar workers. Because right now, all politicians suck.

Loved the drive from Niagara to NY via Toronto and Montreal.

Stay safe, stay well. Jimmy.
Title: Re: quality of Diesel between Canada, and the USA
Post by: Toby on April 27, 2012, 03:22:14 pm
I second the reboot to 1776. Lets bring back slavery, debters prisons, the stocks, capital punishment for witchcraft, and get back where only rich, white, protestant men could vote. Who needs toilet paper or penicillin? Antibiotics or anesthesia? Only wimps.
Title: Re: quality of Diesel between Canada, and the USA
Post by: fdnyguy on April 27, 2012, 04:22:25 pm
I second the reboot to 1776. Lets bring back slavery, debters prisons, the stocks, capital punishment for witchcraft, and get back where only rich, white, protestant men could vote. Who needs toilet paper or penicillin? Antibiotics or anesthesia? Only wimps.

I guess you miss the point. Government was a little more honest then than it is today, as far as we know. And the Salem witch trials were in the 1600's.

You're reaching here a bit, my friend.

Back to diesel differences............

Stay safe, stay well. Jimmy.
Title: Re: quality of Diesel between Canada, and the USA
Post by: mystery3 on April 27, 2012, 11:11:36 pm
I guess you miss the point. Government was a little more honest then than it is today, as far as we know.

It wasn't, the media was just slower. That and people actually had more important things to worry about like working all day instead of getting paid to be an office jockey and waste time on the interwebz.
Title: Re: quality of Diesel between Canada, and the USA
Post by: Toby on April 28, 2012, 12:18:16 am
Quote

I guess you miss the point. Government was a little more honest then than it is today, as far as we know. And the Salem witch trials were in the 1600's.

You're reaching here a bit, my friend.

While the Salem witch trials were in 1692-3 there were witch trials as late as 1878.

The point that I was trying to make is that anyone who thinks anything was better in 1776 is not thinking clearly. The government was certainly not more honest in any sense of the word back then.