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Title: 1.9TD project?
Post by: xxkoadyxx on December 05, 2010, 08:59:14 pm
I picked up another 1.9td and trans today.. This 1.9 has a ko3 turbo on it.. what should i do and get for this engine.. im looking to get more hp ouut of it.. any suggestions on what needs to be done? thanks. im looking for 150ish hp :P
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: GEE-BEE on December 06, 2010, 01:18:34 am
Giles pump, intercooler is a must

Go to a Hybrid K03 or VNT or T3turbo will require a different manifold and will change to a different downpipe
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: Alcaid on December 06, 2010, 03:47:55 am
Giles pump, intercooler is a must

Go to a Hybrid K03 or VNT or T3turbo will require a different manifold and will change to a different downpipe

Wrong, the '93 Golf should have the square 4-bolt flange on the downpipe, same as the T3. They didn't change downpipe flange until '94.

Don't remember if it has the triangle or the trapezoidal exhaust manifold flange but if it's the triangle one, a manifold from 1.6TD would make that turbo plug right in there, maybe some small changes to the oil feed/return and hosework.
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: xxkoadyxx on December 06, 2010, 09:31:24 am
Giles pump, intercooler is a must

Go to a Hybrid K03 or VNT or T3turbo will require a different manifold and will change to a different downpipe

what is a hybrid KO3?
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: GEE-BEE on December 06, 2010, 10:49:08 am
KO4 hotside with a K03 coldside

manifolds are different on T2/T3/K14 series versus K03 turbo

The Intake boot from Filter( snorkel) and turbo to intake manifold  is different also

Ask me how I know ?

or you can listen to Numb's nut's above...

GB
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: xxkoadyxx on December 06, 2010, 05:18:24 pm
KO4 hotside with a K03 coldside

manifolds are different on T2/T3/K14 series versus K03 turbo

The Intake boot from Filter( snorkel) and turbo to intake manifold  is different also

Ask me how I know ?

or you can listen to Numb's nut's above...

GB



the engine in my car right now is a 1.9td also but it has the k14.. inlet/airfilter side is alot bigger then the ko3, but i cant adjust the boost on the k14..which would be better?
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: Thezorn on December 06, 2010, 06:08:23 pm
but i cant adjust the boost on the k14..which would be better?

you sure can, all you need is a manuall boost controller in the line that goes between the turbo to the wategate. I have mine regualted to 15 psi and it works great.
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: xxkoadyxx on December 06, 2010, 06:17:28 pm
but i cant adjust the boost on the k14..which would be better?

you sure can, all you need is a manuall boost controller in the line that goes between the turbo to the wategate. I have mine regualted to 15 psi and it works great.

there is no line.. only a metal line. would that be it? looks like an oil line to me.. heres pic.....

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv60/xxkoadyxx/KoadsCarTWBO2010008.jpg)
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: Vincent Waldon on December 06, 2010, 06:33:45 pm
That's the one.   ;)
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: xxkoadyxx on December 06, 2010, 06:44:51 pm
question, whats the purpose of a boost controller? stock the flow of air going through lines? if so cant i just sqweeze the line? lol
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: Vincent Waldon on December 06, 2010, 06:50:51 pm
That steel line is feeding back boost to the wastegate... allowing the turbo to regulate itself to the set boost level. A boost controller "tricks" the wastegate by showing it less than the full output... so the wastegate ups the boost accordingly.

Pinching the line would merely slow down the flow and thus the response time of the wastegate, but would have very little effect on the setpoint, since the wastegate would still see the same pressure.
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: xxkoadyxx on December 06, 2010, 07:47:27 pm
alright so that is the line.hmm ok so ill need to cut it,flare it,then add hose to it? boost gauge is a must.. whats max i should stay from with stock block.. only untill i get my other built..
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: vanbcguy on December 06, 2010, 11:55:25 pm
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs152.snc1/5680_128925371426_730036426_3588677_7852008_n.jpg)


(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs132.snc1/5680_128925391426_730036426_3588678_3728678_n.jpg)

Nylon Home Depot tubing slipped over the cut off ends of the metal line... I ended up putting a zip tie around each of them as a hose clamp eventually.  Humidifier bleeder valve connected to the 'T' to bleed off pressure and hide it from the wastegate.

$5...  I keep it at 15, but have ended up a bit higher a couple of times by "accident"... It seems generally speaking 15 PSI is the most you should do without an intercooler - after that you are heating up the air so much compressing it that you are negating the benefits of higher pressure. 

My boost gauge is from Princess Auto and cost almost nothing.  Any pressure gauge will work!  I tee'd mine in to the air line to my LDA. 

Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: Alcaid on December 07, 2010, 01:47:33 am
NXT Boost Controller is 20$ on Ebay without the ghetto DIY look ;)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/09/!BwJK09wEWk~$(KGrHqR,!hgEv1+0FNgDBMHm1vHSR!~~_12.JPG)

You can eliminate the metal line all together by using banjo/barb fittings.
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: R.O.R-2.0 on December 07, 2010, 01:16:07 pm
KO4 hotside with a K03 coldside

manifolds are different on T2/T3/K14 series versus K03 turbo

The Intake boot from Filter( snorkel) and turbo to intake manifold  is different also

Ask me how I know ?

or you can listen to Numb's nut's above...

GB

most of the time its a K04 cold side (more flow) and a K03 hot side (quick spool) that make up a K03 hybrid.. they do come both ways (obviously, as Mr. GB is running one of them) but it is said that the 04 cold side will make better results.
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: Thezorn on December 09, 2010, 06:54:57 pm
NXT Boost Controller is 20$ on Ebay without the ghetto DIY look ;)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/09/!BwJK09wEWk~$(KGrHqR,!hgEv1+0FNgDBMHm1vHSR!~~_12.JPG)

You can eliminate the metal line all together by using banjo/barb fittings.

Mine looks more or less the same, I guess that is a bit cleaner but Id say thats pretty ghetto for 20 bucks. Since mine did cost about 10.

and on a side note. The bleeder hole isnt really nessesary unless your running over 20 to 25 psi. Ive ran mine on levels up to 20psi without the hole and it doesnt stutter, it holds even.
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: R.O.R-2.0 on December 10, 2010, 02:08:32 pm
the hole works better when you are running lots of boost. i couldnt get my controller to run consistently without the hole, but i was running it at 30 psi..
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: xxkoadyxx on December 10, 2010, 11:39:52 pm
is there such thing as a rebuiild kit for the 1.9td's? wat would i need to do to make a relaible factory spec rebuild? i what it to last another 400k
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: R.O.R-2.0 on December 11, 2010, 01:41:16 pm
does it not run good? compression low? what calls for the rebuild?
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: rallydiesel on December 11, 2010, 05:24:04 pm
How is his mbc any more "ghetto" than the ebay one? It's the same thing but at least he built his himself.
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: R.O.R-2.0 on December 12, 2010, 01:31:33 pm
does it not run good? compression low? what calls for the rebuild?

why do you want to rebuild your engine?
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: xxkoadyxx on December 12, 2010, 07:04:01 pm
well its has 330 kms on engine i wanna rebuild.. well kinda rebuild just really the timing belt,bearings,seals,gaskets.. gonna check the compression if i can get alone of the tool..
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: R.O.R-2.0 on December 12, 2010, 07:07:09 pm
usually bearings are the last things to fail..

catlin has 430k kms on his engine, still runs great.

really, i wouldnt worry about a full rebuild unless there is something seriously wrong..
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: vanbcguy on December 13, 2010, 12:36:13 am
I have 310,000 on mine, no issues to speak of other than somewhat higher than normal oil consumption. 

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it"
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: Alcaid on December 13, 2010, 04:43:17 am
How is his mbc any more "ghetto" than the ebay one? It's the same thing but at least he built his himself.

It's smaller and doesn't look like a plumbers parts bin mock-up ;) I'm all for DIY but the ball/spring type boost controllers gives better spool than the bleed-type ones.
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: catlin_cava on December 13, 2010, 07:04:12 am
Koady, check the compression if its within spec leave it, I've had many AAZ with over 300K on them and drove them hard, pushing over 20PSI all the time and never blew on up.

And like Kevin said, my TDI is over the 430K mark now and running strong.

What you need to do to make nice power is new Headgasket, ARP head studs, a good flowing turbo, and a Giles fuel pump and you'll be able to keep up with me...hell you'll be faster then!
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: R.O.R-2.0 on December 13, 2010, 12:22:18 pm
Koady, check the compression if its within spec leave it, I've had many AAZ with over 300K on them and drove them hard, pushing over 20PSI all the time and never blew on up.

And like Kevin said, my TDI is over the 430K mark now and running strong.

What you need to do to make nice power is new Headgasket, ARP head studs, a good flowing turbo, and a Giles fuel pump and you'll be able to keep up with me...hell you'll be faster then!

yea, cause hes not driving an overweight mk4! lol..

mk2/3 cars are the SHIZZ  ;)
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: Alcaid on December 13, 2010, 12:51:15 pm
yea, cause hes not driving an overweight mk4! lol..

mk2/3 cars are the SHIZZ  ;)

Only beaten by the mk1 ;D
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: R.O.R-2.0 on December 13, 2010, 01:27:40 pm
no.. mk1 cars in stock form, against a mk2 in stock form.. there isnt even a doubt in my mind whats gonna happen. the only way the mk1 is gonna win, is on the drag strip.

mk2 cars have much nicer interior, and are much stiffer cars to begin with. my mk1 feels flimzy, and handles like a CADDY.. and in my eyes, a 1500# car should not handle like a land barge..
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: Alcaid on December 13, 2010, 02:16:34 pm
power-to-weight ratio my friend ;) Handling needs modifications, totally agree on that one! I've had several mk1, 2, 3 and 4s. Each has their own benefits/downsides.
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: xxkoadyxx on December 13, 2010, 03:51:46 pm
alright, ill get compression checked and see what happens next, still gonna do timming belt and such if its all good. clean up and piant.
Title: Re: 1.9TD project?
Post by: R.O.R-2.0 on December 13, 2010, 04:02:32 pm
alright, ill get compression checked and see what happens next, still gonna do timming belt and such if its all good. clean up and piant.

timing belt is never a bad idea.. maybe some new cam/crank/im shaft seals while you are in there. and if you have the engine out of the car, then a new rear main seal isnt a bad idea either. along with a new clutch since you will be in there. (unless yours is still in really good shape) new set of glow plugs wouldnt even be a bad idea.. maybe even get your injectors serviced..