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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: GEE-BEE on November 07, 2010, 03:34:16 pm
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I have some more info to share on the custom intercooler that cant bolt onthe front of the 675MM scirocco radiator.
Lower Hose for this is radiator fitment:
Scirocco 16 v a/c model 533121051A
Upper hose is the non a/c Diesel jetta hose:191121101Q
I make both now in Silicone..
Working psi 30 psi
It can be mfg' with outlets on the top, middle or bottom
Outlets on each side, ( 2') RH to LH flow
Sizes are:
18 x 6.4 x 2.25 thick , $ 553.00
22 x 6.4 x 2.25 thick, $$ 619.00
26 x 8.5 x 1.25 thick, $$$ 885.00 ( cover's most of the 675 mm )
They can be made to order with your size of outlet's
I will do the larger of course ....
I will install a MKIII Dual fan and add a remote fan swith to draw air in on command ( Jetta Dash )
Remember you get what you pay for, these are U.S. made Intercoolers and I would rather support a company here.
GB
Bellintercooler.com
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at those prices, im sure you will be the only person owning one of those..
most of us get by with the under 100 dollar ebay units..
550 bucks for the cheapest one? WTF, do they hand make every single piece of the intercooler...
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Yes they are made to order, have you seen the size of the new MKV GTI intercooler on the 2.0 T
33 x 33 1.50 thickness with 2.25 outlet's
I have all my tubing done , last will be powdercoat satin black, all transitions red
There is another caddy owner out of TX who did the same, went with the smaller unit on his aaz
Stay Tuned...
GB
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Yes they are made to order, have you seen the size of the new MKV GTI intercooler on the 2.0 T
33 x 33 1.50 thickness with 2.25 outlet's
I have all my tubing done , last will be powdercoat satin black, all transitions red
There is another caddy owner out of TX who did the same, went with the smaller unit on his aaz
Stay Tuned...
GB
Seriously, how much money do you have in your truck? $20K, $30K? $40k?
At those prices, I'd rather be in a new TDI sporwagen or import an Amarok ::)
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Well said, Andrew! Don't bring the guy down for making top quality stuff and charging appropriately, Guy puts together items with aircraft-level specs, which some of us appreciate. :-*
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Too spendy for me right now, but would love to see the pictures of the final result!
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Criticizing someone for having excess money or spending it (or having anything you yourself would enjoy having...) is extremely strange, IMO.
My point, if there is one that anyone would care to hear it, is that there is a dramatic disconnect between the OP and about 99% of the users here. When the first reply to any newbie thread asking a ANY question about ANY aspect of IDI motors is to spend $300-1000 on the ideal (usually brand new and/or exotic) part and have it powdercoated, is not useful advice for people who probably only paid $300-1000 for the car in the first place, and whose main purpose in buying a diesel VW is for economical reasons. It's all a bit gauche in my mind.
If you're selling something, become an advertiser and list items with prices for sale. If on the other hand, you're so proud of how much money you spent (and continue to spend) on your build, make a build thread with prices on every goodie on your car, instead of constantly reminding us each time you post:
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=25255.0
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=26620.msg217642#msg217642
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=27223.msg220646#msg220646
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=27473.0
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=27432.msg223067#msg223067
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=27386.msg222703#msg222703
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=26705.msg216162#msg216162
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=26694.msg216161#msg216161
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=26015.msg216332#msg216332
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=26735.msg216695#msg216695
We've got it. You have a South African rad support and powdercoated everything, which is all made of unobtanium and was spanking new when your bought it from ebay.de.
While I applaud the OP for his initiative in fabricating parts that are either obsolete, prohibitively expensive, or difficult to fabricate or source, I'm having a bit of trouble believing that there is not an element of grandstanding to the "price-dropping" in every other post. Is that against "the rules"? No. But it personally leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and I rarely see people exhorting us with what they paid for something, unless they got a helluva deal on it (usually whole cars, and usually under $1k). Even in the most obvious, spendy build thread (53 willys), I don't think there's a single mention of cost on anything, even though anyone can tell a chunk of change went into it. In my mind, that's tasteful. We can see the dedication and care that went into the car, without being reminded that we'll probably never attempt or afford to build it.
Maybe it's just me, or maybe I'm not the only one. But I'll be the a$$hole and throw myself on the sword by being the one to say it. Or, just be an a$$hole. You decide.
I don't know the OP, have never dealt with him, or even contacted him. I'm sure he's a wonderful person in his real life, and I can clearly see that he is a dedicated and fervent fan of VW diesels. I also appreciate all the great products that he makes for this community (even though, I have never personally bought any).
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^^^ ^^^
well said, wish I could say things with such eloquence once in a while...
-Owen
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Yeah I am with libby on that. I have bought some stuff off of GB and it is all good.
I have passed on an intake tube because it was "too much"...now I have more in my fabbed one because of poor design than I would have buying the one of his. So AGAIN more money doesn't always mean cheaper in the long run. Even when I have half decent fab skills it still turned out bad since I had to redo it 3 times.
BTW maybe you could PM him next time and offer your suggestions and you may get a better response.
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Wow!!!
The vortex people ( scirocco 16V) owners just say thanx for making the obsolete item's
Samba people : Vanagon owners , Greaseworks are not complaining ?
There are several ways to do thing's , Iam just showing a option
If you dont like it move on, If you have a item that is NLA or you dont want a piece of china( meyle ) mfg rubber assy please let me know?
You have all been a big help with your idea's and comments...
Gee-Bee
Iam presently doing over fifty new production aircraft parts per month
next will be MKII snorkel's
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at those prices, im sure you will be the only person owning one of those..
most of us get by with the under 100 dollar ebay units..
550 bucks for the cheapest one? WTF, do they hand make every single piece of the intercooler...
im just speaking in terms of he is going to be a loner with his bell intercooler.. thats all. i know if i have enough to buy a bell intercooler, im gonna save up a couple hundred more dollars and buy a Giles pump. that is worth every penny..
not saying its bad. but i 100% agree with QuantumTD about what he posted. it just seems like GB is bragging half the time. not like i have a problem with it, im sure i would brag like that too if i had a $40,000 caddy with powder coated and extrude honed everything..
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Come on; if you want to vend then stick it in the vendors section.
What's the point of the section otherwise?
Perhaps I can advertise my guaranteed to work heatshields:
Personally tested by me, not once, not twice, but 8 times...
Can be seen working if required...
I know them so well, they have names; Tom, Dick, Harry... and Obama ;D
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Around 15 K , It's a driver...
My 2008 997TT was 172k with 39K in Int option's
Another 11K for Dymag's wheels
8K for Tubi exhaust and headers
3K for ECU flash
4K for Euro Suspension
I have been making seals and duct for the aircraft industry for over twenty years, I own the tooling for over 465 different model's of aircraft
1947 to present production
I like nice stuff, I enjoy my Ducati Desmosedici
Iam asked why would you spend 72K on a motorcycle and another 9k for a Ti exhaust for it, beacause I can...
It's what you do for other people....
Iam not asking for anyone here to buy anything , just information on product's and prices...
I have several auto mfg's that I mfg product's for MK1autohaus, TRD Racing
I dont harp on your life or what you do or dont do with it...
let's keep things positive here, isnt there enough negative *** already in the world ?
GB
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So how about some pics of your cool rides and all the bling on them?
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Come on guys, you have to have respect for this guy. For all the different parts he has be manufacturing. Maybe some arent going to fit in everyones check books, but you dont need to hate him for that.
We need some pics or the intercoolers GEE BEE!!
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The biggy will be made, Bell has the 675mm Scirocco radiator
I sent bell some pic's of the location of the outlet tubes based on the mk1 core support
Next the radiator will go to Flex-A-Lite for fitment of a slim dual puller fan , that will bolt on the radiator tab's ( fan side) for proper fit
I plan on making a fan decal for one of the switches ( jetta dash) to turn on the fan for random cooling of the I.C.
That is all
GB
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Some people need some chill pills. GEE BEE has some pretty sweet stuff and has added a ton of good information and help to this forum!
While those intercoolers are out of my price range (I've got an EMUSA 'cooler waiting to go into my car!), that's actually a good price for a *custom* US made intercooler. I don't think there are any doubts the quality and performance would far surpass and ebay unit
Keep posting, GEE BEE! While I may not be able to afford all the toys you post about, it's nice to have on this forum!
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If you dont like it move on, If you have a item that is NLA or you dont want a piece of china( meyle ) mfg rubber assy please let me know?
Not all Meyle is Chinese, some of it is really good.
They are just another re-boxer the same as Topran, JP group, FeBi, Vaico et al.
:)
The origin of the parts matters not, the quality control does.
A lot of Hella parts are made in China, but made to German standards with German material.
Admittedly some Meyle stuff is dog toss, the art is picking the good stuff and skipping the bad.
:)
What you have to watch is the ambiguos origin on the box, some will say something like "Febi Germany" and some will say Febi, made in Germany"
;)
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I was refering to epdm rubber or the old aaz coolant hoses were one piece design , the new is three pieces of epdm rubber with a plastic T , with band clamp holding them on.
Junk, number one problem with vw today are the cracked coolant flanges or hose t' connectors leaking.
You get what you pay for...
I have made several varations of snorkel's and scirocco breathers that are no longer made
I wanted a MK1 snorkel for the K03 turbo inlet size , so I tooled it and now it can be mfg in either inlet
( T2/T3/K14 or the KO3 size
The radiator will be headed to Flex a lite to make a 2'5/8 thick x 26 long dual fan next
looking at 2500 cfm
Gee-Bee
P.S.Thanx Cessna Aircraft & Raytheon Aircraft !
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he's just enthusiastic about this stuff, he has cool stuff, and he can make cool stuff, go him hes helping all of us how he can... and with our consumer base and aftermarket being fairly small its good to see someone doing that.
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just a note for these intercoolers, jetta headlights could get in the way on a mk1, assuming someone has a jetta, like me haha.
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Bell has shipped the Intercooler to me attached to the new radiator I sent them for Mockup
They decided with a 2.25 thick x 22 Width x 6.4 height with upper 2' o.d outlet's
Iam going to take it off and install it on a new all metal radiator I found last week
I might fit a seal around the intercooler to radiator for better flow, I do hope the passat dual fan will provide the increase of pull of air into this assy
Bell has given me 30 days to pay and if i dont like it return for full credit
That is really good service
Cost was 619.00
picture coming the day it arrives
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I'm one of the Scirocco people that thanked him for making stuff that you can't find anywhere else, and his prices are very good for said items. Actually, all of his silicone stuff is priced equal or lower than any competition pieces, if they even exist in the first place.
I can be jealous of GEE-BEE's resources, but really all I can do is work with what I've got and be grateful that people like GEE-BEE are making stuff for us.
Brendan
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GO GEE-BEE!
I love how people throw support for companies who offer us cheap stuff that is crap.. And make fun of the guy making quality stuff? If I get in to the riches, I'm gonna have one of the nicest 81 Jetta's you have ever seen ;) No new cars for me lol.
Keep rockin' GB
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Since this isn't in the vendor section i will post this.
GEE-BEE's is the best of the best. The Roles Royce.
You want it to be PERFECT and the best it can be it's going to cost you.
That being said I did this today and it's a $75 intercooler from ebay (shipping included) with a $90 universal pipe kit i had to cut a few pieces to fit and it took about 2 hours. The turbo and intake silicone reducers are from Silicone intakes and i think they were $15 each or something like that. Under $20 each (shipping also included. one is a 45* and the other a 90*).
My intercooler is also identical to RadoTD's. We got them together.
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As you can see from the pictures there are close clearances and I'll have to make a bracket or two to solidly mount the pipes to the subframe and to the alternator bracket to prevent the pulley from cutting through the pipe and to prevent the rad support from cutting through the pipe.
I also had to move the rad towards the passenger side about an inch.
GEE-BEE doesn't want to ralph around so he does it right the first time. He's got the cash to do so evidently.
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Even this 2.25 wont fit unless the center core support is trimmed
Iam going to move the battery to a horizontial mount ( odessey) under the bed
Iam not happy with this , too big ( thick)
I want a 1.25 or 2.00 max
GB
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Iam presently doing over fifty new production aircraft parts per month
next will be MKII snorkel's
Make a real big one! :D And accidentally screw one up so you can sell it to me for 50% off! :D heehee
no?
maybe?
Preeze sir me love you long time!
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Me too^The entire thing could have the logo wrapped on it so you couldn't see anything else and I would rock it proudly.
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you told us a while back that they were gonna make it that thick for you, i was under the impression that they were gonna make you a THIN intercooler that you could run a condenser in front of. doesnt look like you can run a condenser on that thing without taking your grille out..
so, are you going to send it back, and have them build it like you wanted it the first time?
another down fall to a HUGE intercooler is the LAG it induces..
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I wonder if the money spent on a huge lag inducing intercooler, could be as equally spent on a more efficient way to cool the charge air? Such as a much smaller Air/Water cooler and the associated necessities?
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my Jetta will be receiving a A2W IC when i drop the diesel in there..
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IT'S A CROSS FLOW
The thinner 1.25 is up/down flow
tanks on bottom and top
Back to square one
it's going back, no charge for me
GB
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whats going to be wrong with running a vertical core, over a horizontal core?