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Engine Specific Info and Questions => TDI Engine -General Info => Topic started by: ObscuredByClouds on June 04, 2009, 06:55:40 pm
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So um.. where could I find a PD170? I think Malone imported a PD130 into canada.. so maybe I can get a PD170 in the same way?
Here's the specs and the chip tuning upgrade specs.
Would a PD170 go in much the same way as any TDI swap into a MK2?
http://www.upsolute.com/index.php?option=com_upsolute&task=car&id=2302&id_marke=20&id_model=13306
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the 170pd engines are not good for conversions due to the DPF (for emissions) and from a finacial point, you may as well get a 2.0 140 PD and fit the 170 turbo for a reliable 220-230hp all day!
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you can delete all the emissions stuff from the ECU. i wonder how beefed up the PD170's are? i'd imagine stronger crank & rods than a PD150? better chance of surviving 300hp too ;D
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Seat-Audi-VW-Skoda-2-0-Tdi-170bhp-engine-ECU-8400mls_W0QQitemZ270402404400QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item3ef53d4030&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A10%7C66%3A4%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A200 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Seat-Audi-VW-Skoda-2-0-Tdi-170bhp-engine-ECU-8400mls_W0QQitemZ270402404400QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item3ef53d4030&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A10%7C66%3A4%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A200)
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As there are many uk members here you could easily have that delivered to one of us, then another carrier could pick up to ship abroad
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WOW that is awesome. Does it swap in? I would assume.. how much does it cost to ship abroad?
i doubt the engine would swap in. most likely the engine mount needs to be swapped to the mk4 if you're planning to put it in one of those (should be a straight swap, but you'll need the vw mk4 engine mount swapped). if going into a mk2, you'll need to get the mounts and weld them onto the frame. it's not impossible, but you want to make sure that you have it nice and secure! you'll want to find someone who can delete the immobilizer as well. they might want to see some bill of sale etc, to make sure its not hot. if you can get the pedal for this car great, if not i'm sure the ECU can be reprogrammed to accept another type. you only need limited sensors to make this work too... i think just the main injector sensors, cam position sensor, crank position sensor, etc. MAF, boost, AIT, etc, will not be needed, but are recommended for maximum performance/economy. the PD's are very popular swap for mk2's 8)
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I would recommend not importing a PD-170, and instead would recommend putting in a 2.0 16V CR engine out of a new Jetta already here in the U.S. I imported a PD-150 from the UK a few years ago. What a pain in the ass that was. Lot's of paper work, stupid fees, etc. It was something like $1500, not including the engine. (Which by the way was crap because it had been in a wreck, and the seller didn't tell me the extent of the damage. Of course, he didn't make any attempt to help me out. I ended up parting it out.) Also took 2 months to get here. The PD-150s also use a different ECU with different wiring harness than the U.S.-bound PDs, so you either need all of the original wiring harness, or none of it, and just use a U.S. PD harness.
You could basically make your own PD-1x0 out of a PD-100 and other parts readily available here in the U.S. The pistons are the key. There's a special hole in them that the oil squirters shoot oil into. I saw them for sale here in the U.S. a year or two ago. Something like $800.
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the pd100 is not just a 170 engine detuned. The prices you pay for stuff like this over there is incredible. Its also funny to hear problems with mountings, wiring etc because there is a lot of impressive fabrication on this and tdiclub that makes an engine swap (that is complete with loom and ecu) seem basic in comparison.
If anyone has an idea of the weight and dimensions of the engine go on http://www.wedelivertheworld.co.uk/book_shipment.php?eid=1 (http://www.wedelivertheworld.co.uk/book_shipment.php?eid=1) use my postcode b98 7yt
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the pd100 is not just a 170 engine detuned. The prices you pay for stuff like this over there is incredible. Its also funny to hear problems with mountings, wiring etc because there is a lot of impressive fabrication on this and tdiclub that makes an engine swap (that is complete with loom and ecu) seem basic in comparison.
If anyone has an idea of the weight and dimensions of the engine go on http://www.wedelivertheworld.co.uk/book_shipment.php?eid=1 (http://www.wedelivertheworld.co.uk/book_shipment.php?eid=1) use my postcode b98 7yt
from what i've read, the PD130 and PD150 are the same other than turbo. i'm pretty sure they have all around stronger/better parts.
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The pistons are the key. There's a special hole in them that the oil squirters shoot oil into. I saw them for sale here in the U.S. a year or two ago. Something like $800.
I'll have these pistons available soon if you guys have any interest, at a much better price too :)
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I'm looking for these engines (2.0L 16v PD) to go instead of my 1.9 PD150 8v. Is it a good upgrade?
It's quite easy to find BKD - BKP 140bhp engines and more difficult for the PD170. Is there any big difference for the engine? (I know the difference about the ECU, DPF)
Thanks
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ARL PD150 is better engine than 2.0L 170..
only with bigger turbo you will reach 230hp/stock nozzles limit/
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I actually have a ARL with GTB2260VK, FMIC, 220 nozzles, custom chip @ 30PSI. I was looking for an upgrade to this one!
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better upgrade your ARL...
-race camshaft
-ported head
-bigger valves
-pistons with lowered CR
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I think next upgrade will be a CRDI engine, but the problem is the ECU vs piezo injectors. There's a kit that exists but it's about $4000!!
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There's a kit that exists but it's about $4000!
what kind of kit?
turbo? downpipe?
$4000 is too much I think..
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For the ECU and piezo driver...
http://www.skynam.com/product.php?id_product=14
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I would think 2.0 PD would be a great engine for upgrades. 16v is a huge advantage over bottlenecked 8v head. Plus people are more likely to sell them due to the chain issue. Do it!!!!! :D
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Same problem than the BHW 8v?
Is there any big difference with the internals of the PD140? If the 170 has better pistons and rods, I'll try to find this one.
My other question about the 16V: which injectors could I use? These are probably not the same nozzles than into a PD150!
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Whoops. Got my engines mixed up. No you are right. Only the 8v BHW had the balance shaft issue. Did the BKD just come on Audi A3's?
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Did the BKD just come on Audi A3's?
No,
come on Golf , Passat, Touran, Tiguan, Jetta..
..A3, A4, A6, Q5
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The BKD are easy to find...
I would like to know if it's better to choose a 170 instead of 140...
I could use my EDC15P with the 140...
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If you make serious tuning, better take BKD, easy to find and low cost..
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Good!
About the injectors (almost nozzles), I suppose these aren't same as the ARL??
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ARL nozzles are bigger than BKD ones.
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The spray pattern is probably not the same.
I have 220 nozzles into my PD150, I suppose they won't work into the BKD injectors...??
As I can see, the PD170 injectors are piezo units instead of solenoides... is it the same thing for BKD / BKP???
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I have 220 nozzles into my PD150, I suppose they won't work into the BKD injectors...??
Your 220 nozzles will fit on BKD injectors...99%
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As I can see, the PD140 nozzles are DSLA152P 1287++, this is not the same spray angle than the DSLA150P 1043 from the PD150/130...
I'll need custom nozzles!!
It seems that the PD140 conn rods are the same as the PD100. I could replace them by a set of PD130/150 rods and I would get a very strong block.
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If you want custom nozzles, try here:
http://pimpmycar.at/index.php?XTCsid=ce06dbe9e982a84c4b24e111ab155f2e
my +100% nozzles are from there.
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Good!
It sounds good!
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Where could I find some upgraded nozzles for the BKD-BKP engines?