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Doug · « **Reply #15 on:** August 07, 2007, 05:24:06 pm »

The last time that I checked for the price of Steel Seal I could buy a head gasket and stretch bolts. Why would I want to believe that this magic in a can would be any better than a new gasket?

jtanguay · « **Reply #16 on:** August 07, 2007, 06:09:26 pm »

Quote from: "Doug"

The last time that I checked for the price of Steel Seal I could buy a head gasket and stretch bolts. Why would I want to believe that this magic in a can would be any better than a new gasket?

there are always those who will be pessimistic about a product such as this. like i said before a product like this would be for the type of person who doesn't have much free time, and just wants his/her car to 'run'. who's to say that pulling his head and using a fresh HG & bolts will solve his problem? maybe the head is warped and needs to be shaved. that is extra downtime, extra cost, and an extra vehicle is required to transport the head to/from the machine shop.

and don't forget the amount of time required to do a HG compared to steel seal... not everyone can accomplish a HG job like a pro either. if the motor was going to be used for racing, then yes do it properly.

and not everyone has a good shop to do it at home... so many reasons why this product would be excellent if it works like they say it does.

Doug · « **Reply #17 on:** August 07, 2007, 06:27:51 pm »

Are you selling yourself on this stuff, JT? If I was stuck on the road somewhere I'd be the first person in line to try it. Why not? Maybe this thread needs to see that the other option is not unreasonable. Steel Seal can flog all the testimonials that it wants to. It sort of reminds me of all the other great products out there that we are told work so well that we can't live without them. Remember "Slick 50" ?? Or if you are old enough "Rislone" ??

subsonic · « **Reply #18 on:** August 07, 2007, 07:04:05 pm »

Dude! Don't knock the Rislone! That with 5 fresh qts of 20w-50 helped quite an old car down just enough so I could unload it! Nice and quite. :lol: :lol:
The best part is that the guy I sold it to was my girlfriends ex-boyfriend.

:lol: :lol:

jtanguay · « **Reply #19 on:** August 07, 2007, 09:09:38 pm »

Quote from: "Doug"

Are you selling yourself on this stuff, JT? If I was stuck on the road somewhere I'd be the first person in line to try it. Why not? Maybe this thread needs to see that the other option is not unreasonable. Steel Seal can flog all the testimonials that it wants to. It sort of reminds me of all the other great products out there that we are told work so well that we can't live without them. Remember "Slick 50" ?? Or if you are old enough "Rislone" ??

i'm not really selling myself on the stuff (yet), but for the sake of trying and finding out if it actually works, i guess i am selling myself on that idea. i definitely would not try this product at the side of the road, unless it was the only option. i feel sorry for the poor man who buys a car and inherits a bad HG job, in which he now needs to fork out some hard earned cash to get it fixed properly. given two choices, i think nearly everyone would choose the cheaper, more affordable option. however most mechanics would definitely opt for doing the job right by tearing everything down (to which they can make absolutely certain that they will not get hosed by a "cheap" HG job)

slick 50 is an interesting product. a man tested it in a cessna airplane. he treated it with slick 50 lube, as directed, and then drained the oil and then proceeded to take the plane up and fly it around... call him crazy, but he's still alive, and that is a testament to that stuff. would i use it? nope, because i don't need to. great product for women who never check their oil level though (might save them from a costly engine repair bill).

Trimster · « **Reply #20 on:** August 07, 2007, 09:17:13 pm »

I hope to do the stealSeal process on the 18th. I'll order it soon so I have it in hand. I'll also do a compression test first. Is it possible to do the compression test through the injector holes?

Doug · « **Reply #21 on:** August 08, 2007, 05:31:20 am »

JT, I suggest that you take a look at some of the more sceptical research on the value of PTFE additives to motor oil.

Shortcut to: http://www.ford-trucks.com/article/idx/18/141/article/Snake_Oil__Is_That_Additive_Really_A_Negative.html

The Federal Trade Commission in the USA was successful in their case against Slick 50 for false advertising.

About doing a compression test through the glow plug holes, yes, it is possible. But the more conventional way of removing the injectors is easier because of the two glow plugs that are "hidden" behind the fuel pump.

burn_your_money · « **Reply #22 on:** August 08, 2007, 06:43:33 am »

remember to get new heatsheilds

clbanman · « **Reply #23 on:** August 08, 2007, 09:33:17 am »

If you look at the instructions on their web site, http://www.steelseal.com/eng/instructions.html, it's not a simple dump into the rad and drive fix. Having said that, a friend of mine used this on his Cavalier, and if you've ever worked on them you know what their head gaskets are like. After 3 garage head gasket replacements, he used this when he got another leak. The leak he had was external, not into the combustion chamber. According to him, the product worked exactly as advertised, and he has driven the car for at least three years since using the product with no further problems. I myself have used other competing products that are supposed to seal coolant leaks and all that I tried were pure snake oil, but based on his experience I wouldn't hesitate to use this product in a beater that I didn't want to tear into.

jtanguay · « **Reply #24 on:** August 08, 2007, 06:08:27 pm »

Quote from: "clbanman"

If you look at the instructions on their web site, http://www.steelseal.com/eng/instructions.html, it's not a simple dump into the rad and drive fix. Having said that, a friend of mine used this on his Cavalier, and if you've ever worked on them you know what their head gaskets are like. After 3 garage head gasket replacements, he used this when he got another leak. The leak he had was external, not into the combustion chamber. According to him, the product worked exactly as advertised, and he has driven the car for at least three years since using the product with no further problems. I myself have used other competing products that are supposed to seal coolant leaks and all that I tried were pure snake oil, but based on his experience I wouldn't hesitate to use this product in a beater that I didn't want to tear into.

positive feedback, so far so good! thanks!

about the slick 50 with false advertising: yes, because they say it will give you better mileage, power, etc. but so will good old regular engine oil. what i said was that if the engine was run dry, the slick 50 might actually save the motor from seizing up. so again its just good for female drivers who don't like to check their oil.

Doug · « **Reply #25 on:** August 09, 2007, 06:04:13 am »

If Dupont chemists (the company that makes it, read the link) will not endorse the use of PTFE in motor oil, then why would you think that some huckster's promise of all kinds of value is anything but BS? (read the link about independent research)

The leak on a Cavalier motor from coolant jacket to atmosphere about 15 psi is an entirely different leak than one from the combustion chamber of a diesel at 500 psi to the coolant system like what has been described here. If Steel Seal works then all well and good but be prepared for the possibility that it fails especially after a couple of major temperature variations such as what you find in the winter where the block undergoes a significant expansion and contraction cycle because of the extreme temperature changes. Would you rather change the gasket in the winter or the summer? I know what my answer would be. I have spent too much time messing with vehicles in the cold and it has to be the worst possible time!

Darth Garry · « **Reply #26 on:** August 09, 2007, 06:18:16 am »

Quote from: "Doug"

If Dupont chemists (the company that makes it, read the link) will not endorse the use of PTFE in motor oil, then why would you think that some huckster's promise of all kinds of value is anything but BS? (read the link about independent research)

The leak on a Cavalier motor from coolant jacket to atmosphere about 15 psi is an entirely different leak than one from the combustion chamber of a diesel at 500 psi to the coolant system like what has been described here. If Steel Seal works then all well and good but be prepared for the possibility that it fails especially after a couple of major temperature variations such as what you find in the winter where the block undergoes a significant expansion and contraction cycle because of the extreme temperature changes. Would you rather change the gasket in the winter or the summer? I know what my answer would be. I have spent too much time messing with vehicles in the cold and it has to be the worst possible time!

Agreed, cold tools are the worst!

Garry

jtanguay · « **Reply #27 on:** August 09, 2007, 10:37:54 am »

Quote from: "Doug"

If Dupont chemists (the company that makes it, read the link) will not endorse the use of PTFE in motor oil, then why would you think that some huckster's promise of all kinds of value is anything but BS? (read the link about independent research)

The leak on a Cavalier motor from coolant jacket to atmosphere about 15 psi is an entirely different leak than one from the combustion chamber of a diesel at 500 psi to the coolant system like what has been described here. If Steel Seal works then all well and good but be prepared for the possibility that it fails especially after a couple of major temperature variations such as what you find in the winter where the block undergoes a significant expansion and contraction cycle because of the extreme temperature changes. Would you rather change the gasket in the winter or the summer? I know what my answer would be. I have spent too much time messing with vehicles in the cold and it has to be the worst possible time!

again i'm not endorsing slick 50... i'm just saying that it did help a plane fly with no oil. so it is good for women who don't check their oil :lol: now lets get off slick 50 because its getting annoying.

i dont think 500 psi is much to worry about. i would worry more about the combustion cycle (if any) pressures. like i said before. this is only a trial. beater car use only.