Author Topic: Diesel Future Sputtering ? (Read 27259 times)

Northern RD · « **Reply #15 on:** April 25, 2007, 10:20:24 am »

Quote from: Ozca

Just visited "Lemonaide" to read their updates re new refined diesel fuels
coming soon...interesting :shock:

http://www.lemonaidcars.com/updates.html#diesel

Yawn,....
Just bare in mind that they were the same people that highly recommended the Ford Pinto and the Chevy Citation back in the day,..... :roll: :lol:

saurkraut · « **Reply #16 on:** April 25, 2007, 10:41:10 am »

I think Alchohol fuel here in the US will be a bust. Brazil can grow sugar cain. You put yeast in sugar, you get alchohol. Distil it and you have somthing that will burn

You put sugar in corn, you get squat. Corn has to be "malted" to convert the starch to sugar. Then and only then can you begin the fermenting process. The cost of malting is probably the catch

Maybe if we tried sugar beets are something else that made sugar instead of starch, we'd have something like Brazil.

I'm rooting for diesel. I think europe is doing rape seed oil, sounds nasty, but I think it has a high oil yeild.

I also hold out hope for the Fischer-Tropsch process: Coal to Diesel. Courtesy of the Third Reich.

jtanguay · « **Reply #17 on:** April 25, 2007, 01:15:41 pm »

the largest yield per acre of land would have to be algae... make biodiesel from that!

MaxHedrm · « **Reply #18 on:** April 25, 2007, 03:15:07 pm »

Quote from: "BlackTieTD"

agreed. the only way around this is if the government mandates it... and that will never happen with existing circumstances. hopefully in the coming years the mindset of those in power will shift from profit for the corporations to the sustainability of the environment and our privilaged lifestyles.

That is totally the wrong answer. Government mandates rarely work and just piss everyone off. The way to do it is for people to actually pay attention to what they are buying & vote with your pocketbook. For instance, Jetta Fan gripes about driving his gas engined Jimmy, quit whining & replace it ... there are some on ebay that went for under $4k.

jtanguay · « **Reply #19 on:** April 25, 2007, 03:54:53 pm »

i would also like to point out that ethanol fuels release more CO2 into the atmosphere than diesel and gasoline. gasoline engines get poor economy when burning ethanol.

just my 2 cents... GO DIESEL!

lol and about prawn...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9BWuLKGScY

http://www.hondasucks.ca

ah man... stupid honda insight! why won't they just learn to go diesel? :roll:

Ozca · « **Reply #20 on:** April 26, 2007, 04:06:20 am »

Don't know much about ethanol, but as a result of this new fuel concept there is a lot of controversy over the price increase of corn and food products made from it.

As to bio-diesel use, last year I rented a new Fiat Motorhome with a 4 cyl turbo diesel in Germany and the rental company stipulated NOT to use any bio-diesel in this unit :!:
I assume that policy was related to the lack of proper lubricating properties of bio-diesel and subsequent warranty claims.

jtanguay · « **Reply #21 on:** April 26, 2007, 04:24:43 am »

well as i have already stated, algae would be the most profitable solution to the biodiesel question... corn, etc.. takes way too much space to create such little yield... algae could be harvested year long here in Canada, as long as temperatures are controlled (geothermal possibly???)

http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html good information here!

the rental company probably said no to the biodiesel since it isn't really regulated... i guess it's like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get :lol:

and if the manufacturer specifically states not to use biodiesel, then there could be a good reason for it... or just because of influence from oil companies :lol:

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Jetta Fan · « **Reply #22 on:** April 26, 2007, 04:39:36 am »

MaxHedrm, I would love to replace it, but it is my wife's "daily" driver. She doesn't like the full size trucks (our Jimmy is the S15 size with a 4.3L). I would just like to have a diesel option on more vehicles, not just full size trucks and VW cars.

If the governments really do want to go green, why not stipulate that the car manufacturers offer diesel engine options. After all, they set the gas mileage and emission limits for vehicles.

If I could, I would do a swap on the Jimmy and go diesel.

clbanman · « **Reply #23 on:** April 26, 2007, 06:24:20 am »

According to the Urban Dictionary:

1. prawned

A bastardization of pwned, which was derived from the word owned. The meaning remains throughout the words, as being defeated, destroyed or verbally raped in some way. Can also be written as "prawnz0red".

Turbinepowered · « **Reply #24 on:** April 26, 2007, 06:26:27 am »

The US military is going single fuel too: Diesel. I believe all the NATO countries are standardizing to all-diesel fleets, to allow for greater ability to share supply burdens without a huge hassle.

jtanguay · « **Reply #25 on:** April 26, 2007, 10:40:12 am »

if they're all switching to diesel, they might as well start using bypass filters like fs2500, or even the new amsoil bypass filter that seems to be working great...

Ozca · « **Reply #26 on:** April 26, 2007, 12:16:09 pm »

Further to "prawned".

Down Under in Aussie they say,

"Don't come the raw prawn with me!",

meaning: "Don't try to put one over me!
:lol:

burn_your_money · « **Reply #27 on:** April 26, 2007, 01:00:57 pm »

It's all about education, and making fun of people who think when they get 400 kms for a 45L tank is good :roll: At 400 kms my car is usually between 5/8-3/4 of a tank.

I plan to keep my car for quite a while, at least my engine. I can always just throw it in a truck or whatever I want. It's alot of work but no one else is making any trucks/vehicles that I want to buy

MaxHedrm · « **Reply #28 on:** April 26, 2007, 02:27:28 pm »

Quote from: "jtanguay"

i would also like to point out that ethanol fuels release more CO2 into the atmosphere than diesel and gasoline. gasoline engines get poor economy when burning ethanol.

True, but the theory is that this CO2 is just the CO2 that is being pulled out of the air as the corn/sugar cane/etc is growing, whereas petro sources are being pumped up from under ground & came from plants that captured it long ago. So, for ethanol there is a net of zero CO2 emission. Like a really inefficient solar cell. :wink:

Quote from: "Jetta Fan"

MaxHedrm, I would love to replace it, but it is my wife's "daily" driver. She doesn't like the full size trucks (our Jimmy is the S15 size with a 4.3L). I would just like to have a diesel option on more vehicles, not just full size trucks and VW cars.

If the governments really do want to go green, why not stipulate that the car manufacturers offer diesel engine options. After all, they set the gas mileage and emission limits for vehicles.

If I could, I would do a swap on the Jimmy and go diesel.

Ahhh .. I was thinking full size. In that case you might have to move off the continent. :wink: There were rumors of a Jeep (Liberty maybe?) getting an MB diesel soon, but I haven't heard much about it lately. That might be an option soon, so the darkness is spreading, so to speak.

Government mandating it still isn't the solution. But then I'm a big ol' free market libertarian type.

RabbitJockey · « **Reply #29 on:** April 26, 2007, 03:24:10 pm »

i think people should give up trying to make economical gasoline engines and start focusing on quieter more powerful diesel... which i know this is actually happening, but i am talking about the everyday person. imo gasoline engines get the job done very well and can make tons of power blah blah blah, but to me they're just over complicated motors when i diesel manages everything with just the fuel gas controls speed with air flow then hast o keep the fuel mixture just so with a computer or carb, then has to use the spark for ignition. but i think with all the current diesel truck hype alot of people are opening up to diesels, i know 2 summers ago when there was a show at the local dealer, all the cars i saw going in and out of the garage were diesel.