Author Topic: Diesel Future Sputtering ? (Read 27227 times)

Ozca · « **on:** April 25, 2007, 03:51:21 am »

Just visited "Lemonaide" to read their updates re new refined diesel fuels
coming soon...interesting :shock:

http://www.lemonaidcars.com/updates.html#diesel

jtanguay · « **Reply #1 on:** April 25, 2007, 04:34:42 am »

lol they don't recommend the 2007 diesels... bosch pwns them!!! simply prawned! :roll: :lol:

clbanman · « **Reply #2 on:** April 25, 2007, 05:50:25 am »

What I find hilarious is the section on hybrids. Exactly why diesel technology is the only current practical choice in my opinion.

Dr. Diesel · « **Reply #3 on:** April 25, 2007, 06:49:57 am »

Quote from: jtanguay

. bosch pwns them!!! simply prawned! :roll: :lol:

I must have been asleep during this class. Can someone explain to me what

pwns and prawned means?

Jetta Fan · « **Reply #4 on:** April 25, 2007, 06:57:27 am »

Or we could just wait on that new car purchase until the ethanol/gasoline or ethanol engines are available here in the next decade or so. :lol:

BlackTieTD · « **Reply #5 on:** April 25, 2007, 06:59:43 am »

Quote from: "Jetta Fan"

new car purchase

:? explain yourself.

Jetta Fan · « **Reply #6 on:** April 25, 2007, 07:07:34 am »

First off, my 97 Jetta is the newest car I have owned. :lol:

The article says that if diesel still "lights your fire" then wait for the 2008 engines. Then goes on to sing the praises of the ethanol engines which they think might be available here in a decade or so. I figure we can just put off buying that new car for a decade, and keep our beloved diesels on the road.

Heck, in a decade, they might just realize that diesel is the ONLY way to go. :twisted:

BlackTieTD · « **Reply #7 on:** April 25, 2007, 07:17:29 am »

man, i personally don't understand all the debate. just talk to any electric hybrid owner (that doesn't have his head straight up his ass) about the ACTUAL milage they get. its not as spectacular as you might think. we've had passenger diesels through VW since 1976 IIRC, that's 30+ years ago! i fill my tank like once a month if that for city driving. sure the new electronically-controlled diesels do even better for economy, but there is a lot to be said about just a simple IDI diesel. just ask this guy. he ended up switching over to a mkIV TDI golf by the way.

the canadian military is switching over to a single fuel fleet... diesel. not sure about the muricans. i think that's a pretty good indication about how viable they think hybrids are. they are great if trendy is your thing. if you want results, diesel baby.

i sure hope ethanol takes off for all the diesel-haters out there. it works in brazil when politics aren't in the way. i can't see my parents driving diesels... but they'd drive an ethanol car. i'm just not holding my breath on the ethanol deal... i don't see the north american governments pushing it hard enough to make it happen large-scale.

and no need to mention BIO DIESEL :lol:

well maybe i should. i know of just as many bio diesel stations locally that have closed as remain open. i can't get bio diesel from the pump locally, despite my 25 year old car being able to run on it no problems. what's the deal....

why wait the claimed 10 years for ethanol to take off in north america when diesel cars that run on bio diesel, are available NOW and widespread??

its gotta be the diesel haters......

Jetta Fan · « **Reply #8 on:** April 25, 2007, 07:25:58 am »

I'm with you BlackTie. I guess I need a font for sarcasm. Give me a diesel anyday.

And as for the hybrids, a friend of mine has one and get less mileage than I do. And his warranty is about to run out and he is worried that the costs of repairs will be HUGE.

I can't see my folks driving a diesel either (except Dad's farm tractor) or my wife (not patient enought o wait for the glow plugs) but I would love to see nothing but.

And for what it's worth, I think the smell of diesel fuel and diesel exhaust should be made into colognes.

BlackTie, you edited while I was typing, so I'll add a bit here too. Bio diesel is just starting to become available around here. One locally owned fuel company is advertising it, but when I was at a couple of their stations, they told me it is not here yet or that it is just a cleaner diesel, not actually bio diesel. False advertising? Yep, you bet. But maybe it will show up sooner or later. And when it does, I might just convert my AAZ to run on it.

BlackTieTD · « **Reply #9 on:** April 25, 2007, 07:37:26 am »

we had some 'bio diesel' places open up around here too about 2 yrs ago. i was thinking hey now we might make some progress on this front, but half of them have closed or no longer offer bio diesel. like you said, its often unclear exactly what type of fuel they are selling... cleaner diesel, bio diesel... you ask at the counter and they have no clue whats goin on. seems like there needs to be better regulation, better policies and public awareness. show me where to get clean fuel, i'll pay more, i don't care my car is just THAT EFFICIENT :lol:

westcoaster · « **Reply #10 on:** April 25, 2007, 07:40:01 am »

Jan 1 2007 was the date mandated by the epa for cleaner on highway diesels. In order to do this manufacturers have had to come up with all sorts of new ways to get the engine to run cleaner.
One of the methods was a diesel particulate filter with a regeneration cycle. The filter captures particles, when it gets clogged enough the engine is programmed to "dump" fuel into the exhaust to raise temperature enough to burn it off.

http://emuse.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/17466

Ok, so that video is of a truck who's regen cycle isn't exactly operating correctly...
But exhaust temperatures are quite high when it does occur.

Jetta Fan · « **Reply #11 on:** April 25, 2007, 07:44:59 am »

BlackTie, I agree.

As for clean fuel, a friend of mine gave me some good advice when I bought my diesel last summer....buy your fuel where the truckers do. If they buy it there, they are usually going through a good volume of fuel, so less chance of dirty/contaminated fuel.

One fuel company has been advertising "clean diesel" for over a year now, but from what I have been able to find out, it's the same low sulpher stuff everyone else is selling. And I agree, the ones at the counter don't know what they are selling, and to call the companies directly is usually a waste of time.

But we will never switch over completely to something efficient like diesel.....the big oil companies can't make enough money if we are all getting 45 - 50 mpg out of our SUVs. :lol:

It kills me to drive our other vehicle...a 97 GMC Jimmy. We use it to tow our camper. It would be so much nicer as a diesel. Not to mention more efficient.

BlackTieTD · « **Reply #12 on:** April 25, 2007, 07:50:11 am »

Quote from: "Jetta Fan"

But we will never switch over completely to something efficient like diesel.....the big oil companies can't make enough money if we are all getting 45 - 50 mpg out of our SUVs.

agreed. the only way around this is if the government mandates it... and that will never happen with existing circumstances. hopefully in the coming years the mindset of those in power will shift from profit for the corporations to the sustainability of the environment and our privilaged lifestyles.

Jetta Fan · « **Reply #13 on:** April 25, 2007, 07:53:44 am »

Yeah, but we all know how much pull the oil companies have on the governments.......way too much. :evil:

burn_your_money · « **Reply #14 on:** April 25, 2007, 08:07:41 am »

Quote from: "Dr. Diesel"

Quote from: "jtanguay"
. bosch pwns them!!! simply prawned! :roll: :lol:

I must have been asleep during this class. Can someone explain to me what

pwns and prawned means?

pwns = owns and no idea what prawned means