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Reply #30June 15, 2007, 11:50:29 am

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« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2007, 11:50:29 am »
Block prep:
Besides stripping the block down and putting it through the shop hot tank washer, what else to I need to do in order to prep it for building?

I have new freeze plugs so the old ones are coming out.
I am going to try like hell to get a torque plate for the bore job.
I saw the article about the additional cooling holes to match up with the 1.9 HG. Plan on doing them.
What else? Is there any deck prep besides checking for straightness?  I heard someone say, " It looks good and straight to me, you dont need to do anything to it"  That does not sound very precise to me.  how and what do you check on the block?
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Reply #31June 16, 2007, 12:40:28 pm

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« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2007, 12:40:28 pm »
Giles pump arrived today. Nice and shiney!
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1985 VW Golf 5-spd, 4-door, 1.6NA  Bought from orig. owner in Savannah with 42,000 miles.
"Making the jump NA to TD" slow but sure.

1980 VW Rabbit LS 5-spd, 4-door 1.6NA almost 450,000miles  RIP

Reply #32June 16, 2007, 04:44:15 pm

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« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2007, 04:44:15 pm »
Quote from: "subsonic"
Block prep:
Besides stripping the block down and putting it through the shop hot tank washer, what else to I need to do in order to prep it for building?

I have new freeze plugs so the old ones are coming out.
I am going to try like hell to get a torque plate for the bore job.
I saw the article about the additional cooling holes to match up with the 1.9 HG. Plan on doing them.
What else? Is there any deck prep besides checking for straightness?  I heard someone say, " It looks good and straight to me, you dont need to do anything to it"  That does not sound very precise to me.  how and what do you check on the block?


yea... they can always be shaved a little.  go to a reputable shop, and have them show you how non-flat your surfaces really are...

looks like everything is going smooth for you with the Giles pump and all :)


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Reply #33June 22, 2007, 04:18:24 pm

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« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2007, 04:18:24 pm »
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Middle piston rings are now on the way to Total Seal for the gapless mod.
Cost is $10 per ring and a $10 set up fee.


Well I ran into a problem with this mod.
I received a call from Total Seal after I contacted them about what was taking so long with the rings.
The new KS pistons came with a chrome 2nd ring.  I am told that they can not do the mod on these as the chrome will start flaking off after the mod.  They will comp me a new set of cast iron taper face rings that they  can do the mod to.  I need to go get my pistons now and measure the 2nd ring groove on all of them for depth and width so I can pass on this info to them.
Anyone else run into a problem like this?  Is chrome better than cast iron?  I was told that the rings I sent were not taper faced.  The cast iron ones will be.  Benifits one way or the other?
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Reply #34June 22, 2007, 04:35:03 pm

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« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2007, 04:35:03 pm »
well chrome would just last longer wouldn't it??? i would think that it would need a taper to actually 'scrape' the oil though???


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Reply #35July 03, 2007, 08:37:26 pm

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« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2007, 08:37:26 pm »
I talked to the guy at Total Seal.  He told me he needed the measurements from the ring grove on the piston.  He did not want to use the rings I sent him to make a template for the new rings :?   What gives?  My bud at the machine shop said that if he wants the measurments that exact, and cant get them off the oem rings, send him the damn pistons and let him be responsible for measuring.
Now I am thinking about what I would have for rings.  Only the middle ring would be cast iron, the others would be chrome plated.  These would have different wear rates wouldnt they?
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Reply #36July 03, 2007, 08:53:41 pm

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« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2007, 08:53:41 pm »
Thats bogus if he won't use the rings you sent him for measurements, that makes me weary, I've had good luck with total seal, but I'd be talking to someone else there about this issue now...

Reply #37July 03, 2007, 09:31:38 pm

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« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2007, 09:31:38 pm »
If the pistons are used, he may want measurements in case the groove has widened slightly. Don't forget their gapless ring is a thin ring that fits on top of the cast iron ring. If the gap was too wide, maybe it might cause problems. Then again, I just ordered a set for my engine and didn't have to measure anything.
Jim
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Reply #38July 04, 2007, 07:18:15 am

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« Reply #38 on: July 04, 2007, 07:18:15 am »
I told the guy these are off of brand new KS pistons.  Is this just because I sent him rings to be modded, and did not get the whole set from them?
What about the use of different materials?  I suspect that the cast iron ring will wear out much sooner than the other chrome plated rings.
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Reply #39July 07, 2007, 03:30:53 pm

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« Reply #39 on: July 07, 2007, 03:30:53 pm »
Windage tray arrived in the mail today.  Looks nice.  No more leaky oil pan.  Good deal from Myke_w.

My parts shelf is getting pretty full :D

I think I just found a brand spanking new AAZ head-complete, for a real good price.  I just need to verify that it is OEM and not Wang inc.

Hope it turns out to be the real deal so I can get it up to Dave for a port overhaul.  Gotta get this project together soon.
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1980 VW Rabbit LS 5-spd, 4-door 1.6NA almost 450,000miles  RIP

Reply #40July 08, 2007, 12:02:01 am

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« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2007, 12:02:01 am »
All those parts on my shelf would kill me.
84 4dr Rabbit 1.6 N/A sold to friend
86 Jetta TD getting raced out AHU 02A
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Reply #41July 10, 2007, 03:36:55 pm

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« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2007, 03:36:55 pm »
OK, get this

I just had some jerkoff refuse to sell me a new AAZ head because he said I intended it for a non oem application.(Franken)
WTF :!:   Who cares if I want to paint it lime green and use it as modern art!   What a freaking a-hole!

GRRRRRRRRRRR :x
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Reply #42July 10, 2007, 04:24:35 pm

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« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2007, 04:24:35 pm »
wtf mate??? lol refusing your business... omfg...  "we will not warranty it and therefore we will not sell you it"

as far as i'm concerned, once you buy it, it is yours to do with as you like.  break it, smash it, melt it, install it incorrectly, or pimp the hell out of it!!!!!!!!  :twisted:

did you tell him that you were going to modify it?  maybe he knows the head is garbage and will break/crack once dave starts modding it  :lol:  maybe it is in your best interest not to buy from this goon.

apparently www.zsimports.com has decent rebuild 1.9 heads.  not sure if they are in your price range though... how much did the guy want for the head?


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Reply #43July 10, 2007, 09:30:51 pm

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« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2007, 09:30:51 pm »
He wanted about 480.00 US plus shipping.
I could not get a straight answer from the guy.  Would not identify the maker, would not send any pictures of the front of the head, would not send any of the part/ casting numbers from the head.  I've never had someone be such a dick when I was trying to give them money!
His ebay name is:
 ecstyling -- now to be refered to as dickface

Heres how it went:

"Who made the head? Is it vw, Kolbenschmidt,etc.. Does this have the OEM part number on it? Is this NOS?
Thanks, Jim"

dickface "What is your vehicle VIN code?"

"This is going into a 1985 golf. The head is going on a 1.6TD hydraulic block that I am building up. The veh vin wont work. I do not have the vin from the doner car. It was pulled from a canadian vw diesel though.
Is this a OEM head? I dont want a chinese copy.
Do you know what year this one was made? There was a change in valve size around 96 with the AAZ. "

Dickface
 "goingbearhunting(subsonic): This is going into a 1985 golf. The head is going on a 1.6TD hydraulic block that I am building up.

Reply(from dickcheese): We are not able to provide any support or confirmation if this (or the non TD 1.9 head we also carry) will be completely compatible with your application. This is intended for an AAZ engine.

goingbearhunting(subsonic): Is this a OEM head? I dont want a chinese copy.
Do you know what year this one was made? There was a change in valve size around 96 with the AAZ.


More from dickface "It is not possible to put a 1.9 aaz head on a 1.6TD because of the intake ports are a different shape."

"Thanks for your response. I am familier with your comments. It is a long process, however it does work. I have a custom intake and exhaust. I need a replacement for my current 1.9TD head. Could you please tell me if this is a OEM head, or is it "like an oem head"? If it is OEM, who made it? Does it have any casting numbers on it? Is this new old stock?
I have a line on 2 used heads, but was considering buying yours as it is a "factory new" unit.
Thanks, Jim "

Asswipe "Reply: Correct, all our engines, long/short blocks and heads are sourced directly from the VW factories and thereby Original Equipment Volkswagen yes."

"Sounds good.
Do you have the ability to take some pictures of the head? I would like to get good pictures of the  ports, the front of the head where the casting numbers are, and the top and bottom.
Thanks, look forward to doing buisness with you.
Jim "

No reply, so "Please send your phone number. I would like to talk to you about this head. If you could, I would like to see some pictures of the head. Front, back, top and bottom.

Thanks, Jim"

knob "Q: Please send your phone number.
A: As indicated to avoid misunderstandings and to server our customers in the most effecient way we keep the communications in writing.

Q:I would like to talk to you about this head.
A: How can we help you?

Q: I would like to see some pictures of the head.
A: Please refer to the listing for picture. As we have indicated this item is NOT suitable for your application and we are not able to offer any support for such applications."

"OK,
You said this head was from a VW OEM parts factory.If you know who the maker is,would you please tell me. IE.Kolbenschmidt, Mahle etc.
If the maker is unknown, would you please pass me the numbers off the head, I should be able to cross reference them.
I asked for the pictures so I could see front and bottom of the head. Your listing photo does not show the front or bottom of the head. The rear photo does indeed show the D-style ports. I have talked to other seller's with 1.9TD heads and asked to see the front of the head only to be told that there are no casting codes or numbers, or that they have been ground off. I will not buy a head like that. I am putting a lot of money into this rebuild, much of it centered around the head. I only have enough money to do this one time, so I need to make sure everything is correct. I asked to see the bottom because sellers have said "complete" before but the pre-chambers were not included. Thats what I get for assuming. Thanks, Jim "

super asswipe
"We are sorry but any questions or issues you have (or have had) with other sellers you need to take up with them, we can not help you on this matter."

"MAN, Im not laying that on you, just giving you some past sellor history. I see that you have great feedback. Does this head come with the prechamber inserts? Are there any casting codes on the head or is it blank."

dickheadextreme
 "Q: MAN, Im not laying that on you, just giving you some past sellor history

A: We do not understand what you mean by 'laying' and 'sell or'.

Q: Does this head come with the prechamber inserts?
A: As we have indicated this product is NOT SUITABLE for your vehicle."

"Look, I know what I want to do with the head. I know it works. I know  guys running this set-up and they have been for  years. It should not matter to you guys if I said I wanted to use this thing as a toaster. You have covered yourselves with warning me. If you want to sell the head, would you please just answer my questions.
Does this include the pre-chamber inserts.
Does this head have any casting codes.
Will you tell me what they are."

assmunch
 "Q: It should not matter to you guys if I said I wanted to use this thing as a toaster.

A: Yes it matters, we are sorry we can not assist you with this, we only supply our OEM parts to be used in the way the factory intended them, sorry!"

"Fine, you dont want my buisness, I will take it elsewhere.

You guys are rude, talk out your ass about things you don't know about, and your unwillingness to give up basic information leads me to believe that what you are really selling is a line of ***. Good luck unloading your POS crap wang heads. Knob"


Well the search will continue
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Reply #44July 11, 2007, 04:49:07 am

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« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2007, 04:49:07 am »
the guy is a total retard, and tries to make you look dumb...  probably too lazy to get off his randy cheeseburger eatin ass... he needs mr lahey to help him out... if that was me i would have chewed him a new one.


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