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October 19, 2006, 01:40:34 pm

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Help with Fiat Croma pump
« on: October 19, 2006, 01:40:34 pm »
A buddy with a tdi ( mecanical pump Fiat Croma) in his Vanagon is
not impressed with the results.

Is it possible, from the Bosch numbers on the pump, to find out
if the pump was from a di or idi engine???

0 460 414 059
VE R 286-1
011 170 831881

This is a good pump, 20mm shaft, 11mm plunger, proper boost pin
and supposedly comes from a 2.4l engine. It should produce decent
power.

What say you experts??


Westfalia Syncro '91 TDI se transforme lentement
mais sûrement en 16".

Jetta '97 TDI

Reply #1October 19, 2006, 05:36:17 pm

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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2006, 05:36:17 pm »
i realy think this pump comes from a 1.9tdi.
the 1.9tdi or also called turbo D.I.D was the first car with a D.I, it got 90hp
Fiat croma also had a 2.5 bit this was a t IDI engine with a K26.
sorry if i make a mistake, but the croma 1.9tdi got a VNT25 turbo.
tomorow i look to my croma pump to confirm, Sebzero from the french section should also know this

Greetz, Benjamin
SMOG alert, engine running again!
Must make +250hp

Reply #2October 19, 2006, 06:36:14 pm

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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2006, 06:36:14 pm »
This pump, ............ 414 059, is installed on FIAT croma 1.9 TD i.d. 1988 to 1992, and on the croma 2.5TD 1989 and 1990,   and some croma 2.0 TD i.d.

With larger injector nozzle, this pump works well, the cam plate is not the best for the engine VW TDI, but rather good, one can located between the cam plate of AAZ and TDI.

If not, you can put the cam plate of VW TDI in your fiat pump, but as regards the control lever, that will be one can limiting, but it will go it much better is a fact.

That would be good to replace the advance timing piston, and the cap, because that of pump FIAT does not offer much displacement.

Reply #3October 20, 2006, 08:43:16 pm

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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2006, 08:43:16 pm »
I'm using a croma pump....out of the box...it will run great until 3K...then it starts shutting down right?

It's the governor.....and rotate the fuel pin or get an aftermarket pin like I did to get more fuel under boost.  The governor is one big spring...I bound a few of the coils with some fine stainless steel wire and now it flies.  

I'm also running ,205's and that seems plenty I can make it smoke like a pig if I want.  I can get to 100mph in no time...turbo will affect performance..alot of people get the t3 from a 1.6td...I'm using a smaller k14 running to 22psi max..intercooled of course

Reply #4October 21, 2006, 07:08:00 am

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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2006, 07:08:00 am »
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tomorow i look to my croma pump to confirm, Sebzero from the french section should also know this


My croma 1.9tdi (spare)pump: 0 460 414 058

Greetz, Benjamin
SMOG alert, engine running again!
Must make +250hp

Reply #5November 25, 2006, 08:12:06 am

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peugeot tdi pump....
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2006, 08:12:06 am »
this is my first post....and wondering if the peugeot pump I just bought off of ebay will be a good candidate for a tdi M?....its out of a 1995 peugeot 405 with a 1.9 tdi engine....dont have it in my hands yet...(its on the way from UK via DHL) but as soon as I do I'll post the part number....thanks....

Reply #6November 25, 2006, 08:36:26 am

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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2006, 08:36:26 am »
Quote from: "jimbote"
this is my first post....and wondering if the peugeot pump I just bought off of ebay will be a good candidate for a tdi M?....its out of a 1995 peugeot 405 with a 1.9 tdi engine....dont have it in my hands yet...(its on the way from UK via DHL) but as soon as I do I'll post the part number....thanks....


Peugeot 405 1.9 TD engine, 1992 a 1997:
0 460 494 309
0 460 494 344

Y do not have good parts inside this pump, 9mm plunger, came plate as the same profile has 1.9TD AAZ.....  etc.....

The only good thing, this pump has an 20mm main shaft, for the remainder, it is really not a good pump.

Reply #7November 25, 2006, 11:04:55 am

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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2006, 11:04:55 am »
so the plunger is 9mm....ok will the cam plate and plunger from the tdi vw fit without modification?....how will it run?......I'm glad it has the 20mm shaft....and the boost aneroid....have you worked with these pumps before...?....

Reply #8November 25, 2006, 06:07:08 pm

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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2006, 06:07:08 pm »
Give me the reference number of this pump before buying it, i will check with your number if it is 20mm.

The TDI came plate and plunger fit in this pump,  but, that will not go correctly, you will need another control lever, régulator valve, advance timing mechanism, etc... of another pump.

It is really difficult to mount a mechanical pump with parts of 3-4 different pump, and the adjustment is not also simple for going well.

Try to find another pump better suitable, and less modification.

Reply #9November 26, 2006, 12:02:25 am

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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2006, 12:02:25 am »
hmmm....well I actually purchased the pump last week....its already on it's way from the queens country....I only paid $10.49 usd for the pump....but the shipping was about ten times that....should be here monday....I'll post the numbers to you when I have it in hand....if not a good candidate for my tdi M.....then maybe good for my 1.6td project caddy.....

Reply #10November 26, 2006, 12:41:30 am

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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2006, 12:41:30 am »
ok, 10.49$ it's not expensive, I would pay until ace 100$ for a pump with 20mm just for the core.  :wink:

I looked at more in detail, it have 5 model of pump for the 1.9TD Peugeot 405 1992-1997, and the came plate reference number is the same as the came plate 1.9TD AAZ.

The injector core is similar too, thus, the 1.9TD peugeot is an IDI engine.

Reply #11November 26, 2006, 11:38:57 pm

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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2006, 11:38:57 pm »
sweet :D ....so at least I have a good base to start my tdi M conversion....the engine I'm trying to get was burned lightly....so the harness for the pump electrics is somewhat cooked....but I believe the innards' are good....

Reply #12June 16, 2019, 03:57:51 pm

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Re: Help with Fiat Croma pump
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2019, 03:57:51 pm »
Hello.
I found a 404059 from a Croma 2.5 TD, the same engine that shares the 414059 pump with a 1.9 engine.
It's strange for me to see a DI pump on a IDI engine.
How many Croma DI pump are there? 5?

Reply #13June 18, 2019, 02:13:48 pm

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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2019, 02:13:48 pm »
Hello.

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tomorow i look to my croma pump to confirm, Sebzero from the french section should also know this

My croma 1.9tdi (spare)pump: 0 460 414 058

Greetz, Benjamin

I can't find where that pum is from. Probably the last number isn't an 8 but a 6 or 9 ruined.
That's the 0 460 414 048 pump full code VE4/11F1500R275-1
It's for a 3000 rpms engine and by lookinkg at the diagram I found on a site the LDA is missing.
There is the parts list too.
REPLACING PARTS:
ORDER NUMBER    DESIGNATION    CODE    POSITION    QUANTITY
2 460 283 001    SHAFT SEALING RING    2460283001    3    1
1 467 030 308    SUPPLY PUMP    1467030308    7    1
1 460 134 317    SUPPORT RING    1460134317    9    1
1 463 429 300    TORX FLAT-HEAD SCREW    1463429300    10    2
1 466 100 390    DRIVE SHAFT    1466100390    12    1
1 460 023 302    WOODRUFF KEY    1460023302    13    1
1 460 056 302    BUFFER    1460056302    15    2
1 466 317 301    TOOTHED GEAR    1466317301    16    1
2 460 102 001    SLIDING DISK    2460102001    17    1
1 460 232 328    ROLLER RING    1460232328    20    1
2 463 100 002    BEARING PIN    2463100002    21    4
2 460 300 005    ROLLER    2460300005    22    4
2 460 120 013    FRICTION WASHER    2460120013    23    4
1 463 103 315    ADJUSTING PIN    1463103315    24    1
1 463 120 359    RETAINING PIN    1463120359    25    1
1 461 310 300    RETAINING BRACKET    1461310300    26    1
1 460 140 334    CROSS DISK    1460140334    27    1
1 466 110 638    CAM PLATE    1466110638    29    1
2 460 223 001    SEAL RING    2460223001    30    1
1 463 104 336    TIMING-DEVICE PISTON    1463104336    31    1
1 463 218 312    SLIDING PIECE    1463218312    32    1
1 460 100 902    SELECTION GROUP SHIM RING    1460100902    33    2
1 464 619 628    COMPRESSION SPRING,   36,50 MM    1464619628    34    1
1 464 619 619    COMPRESSION SPRING,   36,70 MM    1464619619    34    1
1 464 619 627    COMPRESSION SPRING,   37,00 MM    1464619627    34    1
1 460 100 902    SELECTION GROUP SHIM RING    1460100902    35    1
2 460 223 001    SEAL RING    2460223001    36    1
1 465 530 301    CLOSING COVER    1465530301    37    1
1 463 414 344    TORX FILLISTER SCREW    1463414344    38    2
1 461 074 312    COVER PLATE    1461074312    39    1
1 463 414 344    TORX FILLISTER SCREW    1463414344    40    2
1 468 334 471    HYDRAULIC HEAD    1468334471    50    1
2 460 210 012    O-RING    2460210012    51    1
   SELECTION GROUP SHIM       52    1
1 460 105 305    GASKET    1460105305    54    4
   FITTING       58    4
1 463 414 312    TORX FILLISTER SCREW    1463414312    60    2
1 460 210 008    O-RING    1460210008    66    1
1 465 534 373    HOUSING COVER    1465534373    67    1
1 463 161 596    SHAFT    1463161596    68    1
1 460 200 333    SPACER RING    1460200333    69    1
1 461 900 517    CONTROL LEVER    1461900517    72    1
1 463 315 310    FLANGE NUT    1463315310    75    1
   ADJUSTING SCREW       88    1
1 461 015 302    GASKET    1461015302    92    1
1 461 907 073    FULCRUM LEVER    1461907073    95    1
2 916 012 017    PLAIN WASHER,   DIN 433 - 10,5-160 HV    2916012017    103    1
1 463 452 313    SLOTTED SHOULDER SCREW    1463452313    104    2
1 460 105 307    GASKET    1460105307    105    2
1 464 613 611    COMPRESSION SPRING    1464613611    106    2
1 463 300 304    HEXAGON NUT    1463300304    107    1
1 463 590 311    GOVERNOR SHAFT    1463590311    108    1
1 460 210 313    O-RING    1460210313    109    1
1 461 030 343    SHIM PLATE,   0,95 MM    1461030343    110    1
   SELECTION GROUP SUPPORTING DISK       111    1
1 466 317 319    FLYWEIGHT ASSEMBLY    1466317319    112    1
1 460 100 356    SHIM RING,   1,60 MM    1460100356    114    1
1 460 422 324    SLIDING SLEEVE    1460422324    115    1
1 460 508 309    SEALING CAP    1460508309    116    1
1 463 203 907    SELECTION GROUP PLUG    1463203907    117    1
1 463 123 365    RETAINING PIN    1463123365    120    1
1 464 650 386    EXTENSION SPRING    1464650386    122    1
2 910 142 207    HEX-SOCKET-HEAD CAP SCREW,   ISO 4762 - M6x35-8.8    2910142207    123    4
1 460 210 349    O-RING    1460210349    129    1
1 463 461 306    SCREW PLUG    1463461306    130    1
1 460 105 306    FLAT SEAL RING    1460105306    131    1
1 463 453 306    BLEEDER SCREW    1463453306    132    1
1 460 225 081    O-RING    1460225081    133    1
1 460 225 082    O-RING    1460225082    134    3
1 460 362 408    CONTROL VALVE    1460362408    135    1
1 463 456 303    HOLLOW BOLT    1463456303    136    1
1 460 591 315    PROTECTIVE CAP    1460591315    140    1
2 410 508 006    PROTECTIVE CAP    2410508006    141    1
1 410 407 004    PROTECTION SLEEVE    1410407004    142    1
2 464 633 002    COMPRESSION SPRING    2464633002    200    1
1 460 410 308    DISTANCE PIECE    1460410308    202    1
1 460 500 307    SPRING SEAT    1460500307    203    1
1 460 023 306    WOODRUFF KEY    1460023306    205    1
1 464 616 656    COMPRESSION SPRING    1464616656    215    1
1 464 651 454    COILED SPRING    1464651454    220    1
1 464 477 302    BLADE TERMINAL    1464477302    228    1
1 463 314 306    FLANGE NUT    1463314306    230    1
1 461 021 355    SUPPORT PLATE    1461021355    235    1
1 463 414 305    TORX FILLISTER SCREW    1463414305    237    2
0 330 001 040    PUSHING ELECTROMAGNET    0330001040    240    1
1 464 477 302    BLADE TERMINAL    1464477302    242    1
1 463 314 306    FLANGE NUT    1463314306    243    1
1 460 105 312    FLAT SEAL RING    1460105312    245    2
1 463 456 340    HOLLOW BOLT    1463456340    246    1
2 910 142 203    HEX-SOCKET-HEAD CAP SCREW,   ISO 4762 - M6x25-8.8    2910142203    254    3
2 916 699 132    SPRING LOCK WASHER,   DIN 128 - A6-FSt    2916699132    275    2
2 910 142 195    HEX-SOCKET-HEAD CAP SCREW,   ISO 4762 - M6x14-8.8    2910142195    276    2
2 460 223 001    SEAL RING    2460223001    277    1
1 461 900 519    CONTROL LEVER    1461900519    289    1
1 463 433 310    WASHER-AND-SCREW ASSEMBLY    1463433310    292    1
1 460 522 328    SPRING SEAT    1460522328    325    1
1 460 522 304    SPRING SEAT    1460522304    329    1
2 911 222 700    HOLLOW BOLT    2911222700    354    2
1 460 105 313    FLAT SEAL RING    1460105313    355    4
1 460 793 336    CONNECTING PIPE    1460793336    366    1
1 460 793 337    CONNECTING PIPE    1460793337    367    1
1 467 414 417    PRESSURE MODULATION VALVE    1467414417    381    1
1 460 210 322    O-RING    1460210322    392    1
1 463 414 306    LOCKING SCREW    1463414306    393    1
1 461 016 308    INTERMEDIATE PLATE    1461016308    394    1
1 465 130 755    ASSEMBLY OF SERVICE PARTS PUMP HOUSING    1465130755    800    1
1 467 010 054    PARTS SET FLYWEIGHT    1467010054    805    1
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