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January 26, 2025, 03:06:53 pm
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oil in exhaust on rebuilt 1.6na
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So finally swapped out the original 1.5d. Hot compression numbers were: 510, 450, 460, 425 and the air filter was soaked with oil after 4000km.
Swapped in a ME 1.6NA which I had bored .5mm over with Taiwan pistons, replaced rings with Goetze, crank checked and polished by reputable shop, all new KS bearings, NOS factory reman rods. Cylinder head was oe Nos with used valvetrain, rebuilt by machine shop. Measured protrusion and used Nos OE 1 hole gasket.
I've got 500km on the swap and Ive got oil dripping out of exhaust seams. It will start in the cold (-12C, 10F) but idle badly, have little power, sometimes even shut down, until it warms up. Power seems good when warm but I swapped in a 5spd 4S to replace the old 4spd so its really hard to compare.
I assumed that because the block is bored (ie. the bores are perfectly round) that breakin is minimal? Or did I F*** something up.
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January 26, 2025, 06:00:40 pm
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Re: oil in exhaust on rebuilt 1.6na
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January 26, 2025, 06:00:40 pm »
Breaking in miles/kms depends on how it is driven. To really break one in you need to cycle the RPMs up and down. Use the engine for braking before hitting the brakes—higher RPMs in a lower gear, that sort of thing.
If you just get in and take it on a long road trip at a steady RPM the rings don't really get to wear into the cylinder.
Could the oil be a result of a build-up in the exhaust from when the old engine was pouring it into the engine? How hot do you run it? Or should I really say how long do you have for a drive each day? It might take a bit of time to get it all out of the muffler and pipes. I know when my turbo lost a seal on the exhaust side I had oil pouring out for a while, mostly because my trips are not long in town.
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January 26, 2025, 09:12:42 pm
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Re: oil in exhaust on rebuilt 1.6na
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January 26, 2025, 09:12:42 pm »
Those compression numbers were on the old 1.5 engine right?
Got compression numbers for the new engine?
Oil in the exhaust?
If it was burning in the engine, it wouldn't come out as oil.
It would maybe stick a little like burning oil when running.
And I'm not sure the valves could leak that much.
Are you using the cold start lever when starting it cold?
How does it act when you push it in when cold, just after starting?
Your cold start lever can tell you a lot about how well your timing is set,
especially during very cold weather.
Kinda sounds like it should be advanced a bit.
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January 26, 2025, 10:50:59 pm
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January 26, 2025, 10:50:59 pm »
In terms of breaking: Ive been driving it to work mostly but had a bad leak in the old used flexpipe I put on it so been keeping my foot off the gas. Guess I should get on it a bit more. The exhaust is all different: dual exhaust manifold and downpipe from a gasser, no oil contam.
No part of the.old motor was used for this build.
Yes, those are comp numbers for the old one. In terms of starting, advance fully pulled out. If I dont have it out on a cold motning it will barely idle if at all. Its a fresh Giles perf pump, double checked timing at 0.95
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January 27, 2025, 06:54:24 pm
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January 27, 2025, 06:54:24 pm »
If I had this situation I would loosen the nuts and bolt that hold the IP and push it toward the engine a wee bit and see if that helps. Sometimes you can have the IP measured out to a gnats eyebrow and when doing the take up on the slack you lose some of that measurement. Bump the pump for me.
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January 27, 2025, 08:17:34 pm
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January 27, 2025, 08:17:34 pm »
Yep, .95 sounds like it's a little low.
Often, when the cold start lever is set right.
It will slow down the engine when it's pulled.
Have to push it in to get the RPMs up and when it starts to fire pull the knob.
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January 28, 2025, 11:06:48 am
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January 28, 2025, 11:06:48 am »
Just to be clear here - Giles specifies 0.95 as default position for his performance stuff. I will try to push it a little though, say by .03?
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January 28, 2025, 12:14:18 pm
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January 28, 2025, 12:14:18 pm »
i'd try advancing the timing a little, did you use new injectors?
the old engine looked pretty healthy, could it have been a plugged up valve cover filter? did you use the old valve cover on the new engine?
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January 28, 2025, 01:04:15 pm
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January 28, 2025, 01:04:15 pm »
Injectors are rebuilt by me using good used, cleaned nozzles. They are mixed 273 and 293 but I don think that matters.
After sitting for 31 years I think the old motor had some corrosion issues on #4...nothing from the old 1.5 was used on the 1.6.
I will try moving the pump a bit.
Hows the pump, Steve?
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January 29, 2025, 05:08:43 pm
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January 29, 2025, 05:08:43 pm »
Even though Giles suggests .95.
It's pretty common to go to 1.05 on stock TD setups.
What breaking pressure did giles tell you to use with his pump?
I'm jealous by the way. Always wanted a Giles pump.
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February 05, 2025, 05:44:02 pm
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February 05, 2025, 05:44:02 pm »
Giles builds a lot of advance into his pumps so 0.95 is the reference with his stuff.
Checked timing today...it was .90...moved the pump in a bit and its much better.
In terms of injectors, they stay at factory pressures regardless of pump config.
Fixed the exhaust as well and I've been pushing it a bit...Im not sure the Rabbit is any slower than my mk2 1.6TD...it really moves. Hard to believe its an NA motor.
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February 05, 2025, 08:30:01 pm
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February 05, 2025, 08:30:01 pm »
Turbo pumps like a bit of advance. That is what I have found, and I also noticed they don't need the cold start cable pulled very often.
So you bumped the Pump and it ran better. I thought it would.
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February 20, 2025, 02:27:34 pm
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February 20, 2025, 02:27:34 pm »
Well, my issues continue. The oil has stopped...that was likely a combination of blowby during breakin and a valve taking time to seat...the head is new but valvetrain had miles.
Now I have a loping, 'missing' idle and throttle hesitation.
When I retimed the pump it was at .92 or so...set it back up to right around .97. It seemed to help but the weather was warmer at the time...we are back to 10F in the mornings.
Even with the engine warm I get low-to-mid throttle hesitation and rough idle.
Even if my machinist bored the cylinders too big (he mostly does old big block domestics) would that explain it? Is it time for a compression test...I've got maybe 2500miles on it, but maybe the last thousand or so has been harder driving.
Or is it the pump.
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February 20, 2025, 06:20:47 pm
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February 20, 2025, 06:20:47 pm »
Doing a compression test won't hurt and might even help figure this out. Run the numbers and then look at the pump for issues. You might just be able to increase the RPM 100 and be back to good.
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February 20, 2025, 06:44:12 pm
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February 20, 2025, 06:44:12 pm »
Do you have clear fuel lines?
The picture above shows the rubber ones.
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