Author Topic: High Idle why?  (Read 2142 times)

January 26, 2021, 03:40:55 pm

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High Idle why?
« on: January 26, 2021, 03:40:55 pm »
I have all but one issue the idle reves at 1400rpm iv tried everything   

1 Turned the fuel enrichment screw back out .

2 Vaccum idle lever all the way up.

3 Took off accelerator lever and turned it all the way back.

Nothing is dropping the idle down if I do all of them lowest it goes is to 1200rpm.




Reply #1January 26, 2021, 10:23:55 pm

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Re: High Idle why?
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2021, 10:23:55 pm »
Too much pressure on the turbo enrichment pin perhaps?  Pushing it down too much and effectively doing the duty of the idle set screw?

Not sure what else to look at. 

Reply #2January 26, 2021, 11:49:58 pm

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Re: High Idle why?
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2021, 11:49:58 pm »
Looks like you have the lever on the back of the pump.
 Hooked up to the cold start lever,..
it advances the timing and bumps the idle.
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Reply #3January 27, 2021, 01:06:53 am

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Re: High Idle why?
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2021, 01:06:53 am »
Too much pressure on the turbo enrichment pin perhaps?  Pushing it down too much and effectively doing the duty of the idle set screw?

Not sure what else to look at.

Thanks! Forgot to mention that, I tried that, pin is all the way.

Externally there is nothing left to try.

Is there a way to modify the governor to drop the idle inside the LDA housing?


« Last Edit: January 27, 2021, 03:47:13 am by WeekendMechanic »

Reply #4January 27, 2021, 01:09:05 am

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Re: High Idle why?
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2021, 01:09:05 am »
Looks like you have the lever on the back of the pump.
 Hooked up to the cold start lever,..
it advances the timing and bumps the idle.

No cold lever im afraid thats the lever for the vaccum idle control its a later aaz pump.

Reply #5January 27, 2021, 06:40:28 am

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Re: High Idle why?
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2021, 06:40:28 am »
I`m hoping someone is familiar with this pump it has some wiring.

A cut off solenoid at the top, a sensor in the middle and another solenoid at the bottom.
Could the high revs have anything to do with these?


Reply #6January 27, 2021, 11:34:58 pm

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Re: High Idle why?
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2021, 11:34:58 pm »
I wonder if the sensor is giving the wrong information to where ever it goes.  The solenoid on top is for fuel cut off and I would expect the one below is the high Idle cold start mechanism. 

I would try pulling the wires off the sensor and see what that produces in the way of a result.  It probably gives a resistance change during operation.  So might that be as fuel pressure is increased?  Pull the sensor and clean it up.  Maybe it is got something in it and causing a bad send of information.

Just my ideas, nothing of fact here. 

Reply #7January 28, 2021, 03:31:27 am

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Re: High Idle why?
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2021, 03:31:27 am »
I checked the sensor with vcds lite, its pretty accurate at 1378 rpm.
I tried disconecting the sensor and bottom solenoid.Bottom solenoid,engine stays the same just more engine noise,sensor does nothing unpluged.
Error codes show up, I connect everything up again and clear codes and they dont show up again.

I don`t think its the electronics, I did more research into this and that bottom solenoid is just a timing advance/retard to reduce nox polution controlled by the sensor in the middle and temp sensor which is controlled by an electronic glow plug relay.

Does anyone know a way of a different method to calibrate the idle what about those screws around various places on the pump what do they do?


« Last Edit: January 28, 2021, 03:37:51 pm by WeekendMechanic »

Reply #8February 15, 2021, 04:57:57 am

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Re: High Idle why?
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2021, 04:57:57 am »
I took it to a shop he took it apart and resolved the issue did not tell me much about what he did.
Oh well at least i`m a happy driver again.

Reply #9February 15, 2021, 07:18:02 pm

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Re: High Idle why?
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2021, 07:18:02 pm »
i would think that if you paid him to fix it, he should be willing to tell you what he did. 

 

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