Author Topic: Snow Performance Water-methanol Injection (Read 16497 times)

greggearhead · « **on:** April 19, 2006, 05:35:11 pm »

I recently started working for Snow Performance in the Sales department so I thought I would post up here to let people know.

We carry water-methanol injection kits that have a lot of benefits for turbo-diesels (lower EGTs 200-250 deg F, higher HP, higher mpg) with no real drawbacks.

The kits have been getting lots of press in Diesel Power Magazine, etc. but not much in the VW IDI or TDI community, though I would love to change that. I will have a kit on my built 1.6TD, but right now I can't offer you any hard installation or performance figures, though I would love to.

I would be willing to help set up a group buy if enough people were interested, or I would be happy to just answer any questions anyone had.

If you call the shop, ask for Greg. 719-633-3811
Or, you can email me there at [email protected]

Benjamin · « **Reply #1 on:** April 27, 2006, 04:32:19 pm »

waterinjection is on my list!
i know a guy who had a citroen C3 1.4Hdi, he had a stage2 chip, his turbopressure was about 1,7bar/25psi if he turned up the WI his turbopressure goed to 2,5bar/36PSI! after a couple monts he broked his gearbox

Right, waterinjection is gr8!
but if we will use it on our tIDI, you not ganna say you drive daily WI, so it has no effect, becouse the settings of the pump need to be adjusted.
Exaly need to have a internal feul adjustment when we not wanna drive "daily" WI. just like a gasoline got a bleed vale, we need a smoke screw

@greggearhead: do you also got solonoid, checkvalves are not the most safe things.

Greetz, Benjamin

greggearhead · « **Reply #2 on:** April 27, 2006, 04:40:31 pm »

I am not sure I understand your complete post but -

It is used on thousands of daily drivers here in the USA. The digital controllers on our proportional injection kits allow it to be used whether your boost is set to normal settings or if you are racing and turn it up - no problems.

The pumps can be adjusted for pressure, but it is usually only required on a few applications when first dialing in the delivery. After that, there is no need to adjust the pump pressure.

We sell solenoids as well as checkvalves, and there are checkvalves built in to the pumps.

I plan on using it on my turbo IDI 1.6 DAILY. It provides hp, exhaust gas temp reductions, and mileage even if you are not overfueled.

Benjamin · « **Reply #3 on:** April 27, 2006, 04:59:45 pm »

i mean you're dieselpump.

If i adjust/tune my smokescrew to the max with WI, and than i drive "daily" i don't got enough water/methanol, so i turn my waterinjection off, but if i give full throttle without the WI turned on, my EGT's wil get higher (WI:EGTs 200-250 deg F), so this is what i mean, exaly we need to be able to adjust our feul from inside the car.

I hope you can understand me enough :oops:

Greetz, Benjamin

greggearhead · « **Reply #4 on:** April 27, 2006, 06:33:55 pm »

I think I understand what you are saying by "i don't got enough water/methanol" -

You need a bigger tank!

Yes, if our injection was electronic, it would be easy to over-fuel at the touch of a button and you could turn up the water injection and your EGTs would still be fine.

ssray · « **Reply #5 on:** May 11, 2006, 03:14:07 am »

use a dual stage bov and have it wired so when on high boost you get water as well

Benjamin · « **Reply #6 on:** June 13, 2006, 01:39:29 pm »

greggearhead,
How much power 'n torque can a vw dieselcar increase, like a 1.6td or a 1.9td, just normal passengercar with T3 on 30psi, offcorse after feul adjustment becouse the egt's become lower.

Greetz, Benjamin

greggearhead · « **Reply #7 on:** June 13, 2006, 02:22:09 pm »

It is hard for me to say, because while I have sold kits to VW owners and asked for feedback, I haven't heard anything back, or I should say, anything with dyno or drag race numbers.

So, for a basic ideaon typical diesels, we see a range of 15-25% increase in power & torque. I wish I had my 1.6td built, but it will be a while, as I have too many projects at once to start a new one.

greggearhead · « **Reply #8 on:** June 13, 2006, 03:02:02 pm »

Quote from: ssray

use a dual stage bov and have it wired so when on high boost you get water as well

Completely unnecessary. We have progressive controllers that read turbo boost and proportionally inject more water-methanol with increasing boost pressure. WORLDS ahead of staged systems that just turn on and off with a boost/hobbs switch.

We also have a super-comprehensive Stage 3 Kit that reads boost & EGTs and uses a 2 dimensional map to determine when and how much to inject. It also has a "gain" knob to adjust from 0-100% on the injection to increase or decrease as you see fit on the fly, and the controller has readouts for EGT, Boost, and Injection.

nkb · « **Reply #9 on:** June 15, 2006, 12:51:14 am »

group buy? count me in!!

greggearhead · « **Reply #10 on:** June 16, 2006, 11:47:17 am »

Being an employee, I can't organize a group buy, but I can help from my end and give some pointers to help make it a success.

caddy · « **Reply #11 on:** June 19, 2006, 01:56:50 pm »

nice i will be interrested too!
may be if you can make something specifique to the vw 4 cyl idi or tdi i will be interrested to sell them in europe too. :wink:

greggearhead · « **Reply #12 on:** June 19, 2006, 05:25:41 pm »

We do have kits tailored to the 1.6 & 1.9 VWs.

In Europe, our distributor is http://www.turbotuning.net/index.html

He specializes in smaller displacement diesel kits.

Slave2School · « **Reply #13 on:** April 04, 2007, 10:04:44 am »

Any updates on a TD/TDI kit? Summer is just around the corner and I feel that water injection makes more sense than a $700 intercooler since it is only warm enough to justify that for a 2-3 months in most of Canada. Anyway, just looking for an update, maybe some prices would be good too. A digital progressive controller would be sweet $$$ depending.

jtanguay · « **Reply #14 on:** April 04, 2007, 12:32:23 pm »

Quote from: "Slave2School"

Any updates on a TD/TDI kit? Summer is just around the corner and I feel that water injection makes more sense than a $700 intercooler since it is only warm enough to justify that for a 2-3 months in most of Canada. Anyway, just looking for an update, maybe some prices would be good too. A digital progressive controller would be sweet $$$ depending.

who needs a $700 intercooler kit? i know people who have got all they need from the junkyard, and is probably just as good as the stock TDI intercooler for around $100 or less.

i do like the progressive system though... it only makes sense to inject more water per higher boost pressure! a nice mechanical setup would be to make some sort of LDA but for water injection...instead of increasing fuel you increase the water injection.

snow's kits look really good and reliable too! pricey though..