help identifying a very unhealthy sound

[92EcoDiesel Jetta]

Have you determined what made these marks? Is it the hex bolt heads?

[air-cooled or diesel]

What kind of creeper is that? I don't even own one and always crawl on cardboard because my floor jack is only 16" (I think).

i went to sears for a creeper, cardboard,yea right, if you have the dough, a creeper changes going under the car pretty much, other than getting down on creeper, and slideee. get a firm pillow for neck support for those longer jobs under there. if you need your jack to go up more, add 1 or 2 blocks of 2x4. can get you up some more.

[RabbitJockey]

it's been done a lot by people who kept ripping straps, so they would drill out the rivets and install 2-3 straps with bolts.  it's worth trying atleast since it could save me 2-300 dollars.  but it's a well tested and proven thing to do.  i could always use some button head allens if clearance is an issue.  and definitely will use red loctite.

FWIW, the ACT pressure plate I recently installed has doubled-up straps.  ~$222 shipped via amazon.

Regarding jackstands and engine support, I usually put a floor jack under the oil pan (cushioned with a piece of scrap wood), which enables me to raise or lower the engine a bit to get the desired angle for tranny installation and removal.  Of course, that ties up my floor jack, so I'm relegated to bench pressing the tranny into place, which is a lot of fun when it takes a couple of minutes to get the splines aligned.   

do you have a link?  none of the ones i found on the search had  a description

the creeper is from harbor freight. 

the engine is lowered down a good bit, i jacked up on the engine a little and then took the mk1 trans mount bolt out then lowered it down so the oil pan sat on the 4x4, which puts the trans pointing down on a bit of an angle and makes it easier to remove.  just how u skin the cat haha.

[RabbitJockey]

What kind of creeper is that? I don't even own one and always crawl on cardboard because my floor jack is only 16" (I think).

i went to sears for a creeper, cardboard,yea right, if you have the dough, a creeper changes going under the car pretty much, other than getting down on creeper, and slideee. get a firm pillow for neck support for those longer jobs under there. if you need your jack to go up more, add 1 or 2 blocks of 2x4. can get you up some more.

yep i add a stack of wood because at my house i only have a small aluminum jack.

[RabbitJockey]

Have you determined what made these marks? Is it the hex bolt heads?

yeah i am pretty sure this was from using the older bolts from a 190mm clutch.  i'll know for sure once i get the new ones in my hands and i can measure the non threaded areas.

[92EcoDiesel Jetta]

Have you determined what made these marks? Is it the hex bolt heads?

yeah i am pretty sure this was from using the older bolts from a 190mm clutch.  i'll know for sure once i get the new ones in my hands and i can measure the non threaded areas.

How many of these bolts are on yours? I bought a Valeo clutch kit for mine and just looked at the pressure plate and there are 6 threaded holes on the perimeter. I don't know why the VW dealer parts guy told me I need 9???

[jmaddocks]

do you have a link?  none of the ones i found on the search had  a description

Do a search on amazon for the ACT VW011...here's a link.  I got mine from a seller named "X Auto Racing," but I don't see them currently listed.

[RabbitJockey]

Yes i used 9 hex bolts in mine, but the old flywheels only used 6

[92EcoDiesel Jetta]

Yes i used 9 hex bolts in mine, but the old flywheels only used 6

Now I am wondering if I have the right clutch kit. I'll have to count the number of bolts at the engine timing hole. Hopefully that's possible.

I had a hard time visualizing how the VW clutch kit I have fit together onto the flywheel after looking at some youtube videos of how a clutch works, until I found a photo in the Bentley which shows all the parts which shows the VW clutch is backwards compared to most other cars! The pressure plate bolts to the crankshaft and the flywheel then bolts to the pressure plate! Now it all makes sense!

What about the 6 flywheel bolts https://www.fcpeuro.com/products?keywords=n90206103
do they need to be replaced or can they be re-used? They are a lot more expensive.

[RabbitJockey]

i've reused them in the past with loctite, the new ones should come with a sealer/loctite on them.  i think they are stretch bolts and should be replaced each time

on this clutch which just came apart, i did use brand new ones.

[92EcoDiesel Jetta]

Counted 6 pressure plate bolts in the car. FCPEuro wanted my VIN and checked with a dealer and says I need 6 pressure plate bolts which is a different p/n https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/vw-pressure-plate-bolt-n10104501 than the ones I posted earlier. You may want to verify which is the right ones for your car.


So the 12 bolts needed came to about $23. I also bought a HF creeper like yours.

[theman53]

The 210 flywheel and pressure plate take the 9 bolts on the outer diameter. The 200 and 190 take 6 bolts.

[RabbitJockey]

and i grabbed an old 12 point bolt today and measured both.

the old 6 point reusable bolts are .267" at the non threaded area, and the 12 points are .247

[92EcoDiesel Jetta]

and i grabbed an old 12 point bolt today and measured both.

the old 6 point reusable bolts are .267" at the non threaded area, and the 12 points are .247

and i grabbed an old 12 point bolt today and measured both.

the old 6 point reusable bolts are .267" at the non threaded area, and the 12 points are .247

So you have a 210 flywheel? Do you think they changed the bolts to a smaller neck diameter so they can maximize the contact plate's surface area by increasing its diameter?

[RabbitJockey]

Yea i upgraded to a 210mm setup, if u want a 210mm flywheel ill send you one from an aaz for the cost of shipping. It is a single pin flywheel.

And yeah id guess thats why they changed the bolts probably in 82 or 83 once they started offering the scirocco, gti and gli with 210mm clutches.  Older pre 94 210mm clutches are dual pin and the pressure plates seem to be cheaper with more clamping force for these.  I used a dual pin pp with my single pin fw becaus3 i didnt know there was a difference until after i ordered everything