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March 23, 2014, 09:23:59 am

dennis

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MTDI Definition????
« on: March 23, 2014, 09:23:59 am »
It has been a while since I have been on this forum. Just been driving my Caddy 1.6TD, and my 83 Volvo 245 D24T. I recently traded into a high mile 2000 Golf TDI (285 kilo-miles), and have started wondering.. I really don't like computer controlled anything on a vehicle.

The question without doing a lot of gleaning info from other posts is "what basically is done to make an MTDI out of a TDI. I got a pretty good collection 1.6 parts. Am I just swapping in a mechanical pump?

I gave the my Caddy to my son as it is hard on an old man with a daily commute totaling over 200 miles, but I could live in a MK1 Rabbit or anything that the seat will move further back in. The 00 Golf would still be a nice platform but the one I acquired is too rusty to put any money in.

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Reply #1March 23, 2014, 09:59:38 am

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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2014, 09:59:38 am »
You need a rover pump its a direct bolt in for your mk4 alh. You will also need a cable actuated gas pedal. You could cannibalize the alh pump but it would be better to just get a rover pump.
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Reply #2March 23, 2014, 10:04:40 am

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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2014, 10:04:40 am »
Rover pump direct bolt on, make throttle cable bracket, add cable, build vnt controller for turbo,

Sadly, uk guy in uk, no pumps in usa as they all sold, im outta town using crappy phone for this till 3 1st, get theman t, o get u his email, he will want deposit to bringbring more back... Lotsa bs in customs... Last 4pumps were $500 shipped, h
e himself removes from the rovrrs

Reply #3March 23, 2014, 10:09:42 am

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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2014, 10:09:42 am »
What particular Rover (year, and model) for search purposes? Were these imported to the US?

Dennis
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1980 Caddy TD (Always in progress)
1983 Volvo 245 D24 NA Building D24T
1980 Air-cooled Westy
1956 F100 (What to do???))

Reply #4March 23, 2014, 10:16:36 am

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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2014, 10:16:36 am »
Ebay uk, no usa imports... Why imo, my uk guy connection value, i know he checks fuel and such before removing, he carry back on plane, ships from inside usa to u... No brick in box, half chance to get thru customs, some morons do not drain fuel, do gets thrown away via shipper, just vs 100 to 300 for ebay, i sold 3 of 4 he got last time

Reply #5March 23, 2014, 10:30:50 am

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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2014, 10:30:50 am »
The Rover engines are the 200TDI and 300TDI. You should be able to find them searching for that.

If you are looking, stay away from pumps for a 300TDI automatic. The automatic actually had a computerized pump like a VW TDI.

There is also an EGR and non-EGR version of the pump, only difference is the EGR version has a throttle position sensor bolted on top. This can be used for an electronic VNT controller.

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Reply #6March 23, 2014, 10:47:00 am

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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2014, 10:47:00 am »
Rover pump direct bolt on, make throttle cable bracket, add cable, build vnt controller for turbo,

Sadly, uk guy in uk, no pumps in usa as they all sold, im outta town using crappy phone for this till 3 1st, get theman t, o get u his email, he will want deposit to bringbring more back... Lotsa bs in customs... Last 4pumps were $500 shipped, h
e himself removes from the rovrrs

$500 bucks?  I might be down for one. What is the turn around time?
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1980 Air-cooled Westy
1956 F100 (What to do???))

Reply #7March 23, 2014, 10:47:52 am

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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2014, 10:47:52 am »
You could cannibalize the alh pump

What does this involve?
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Reply #8March 23, 2014, 11:43:03 am

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It's a mechanical injector pump on a di motor. It requires a bosch ve direct inject pump. not one of a 1.6 idi. Then you use a early turbo diesel barometric compensation housing on the mechanical tdi pump to compensate for boost.

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Reply #9March 23, 2014, 12:15:57 pm

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It's a mechanical injector pump on a di motor. It requires a bosch ve direct inject pump. not one of a 1.6 idi. Then you use a early turbo diesel barometric compensation housing on the mechanical tdi pump to compensate for boost.

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As far as search terms what am I looking for to get "a mechanical injector pump on a di motor"? Were these imported to the US? If so on what? Year model ect...
1980 Caddy TD (Always in progress)
1983 Volvo 245 D24 NA Building D24T
1980 Air-cooled Westy
1956 F100 (What to do???))

Reply #10March 23, 2014, 12:55:29 pm

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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2014, 12:55:29 pm »
Check the M-TDI FAQ on this site, you will find the answers to pretty much all your questions.

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Reply #11March 23, 2014, 05:31:40 pm

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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2014, 05:31:40 pm »
I have never seen a built m pump work right vs rover bolt on non isdues...

Turn around, gotta get in touch with uk guy, im not home till 31dt to contact him, need to hit up lucas, with your contact info, so uk guy can talk to you about deposit and he supposed to be back week or two...so pretty quick need to get in touch...

Reply #12March 24, 2014, 07:52:59 am

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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2014, 07:52:59 am »
It's a mechanical injector pump on a di motor. It requires a bosch ve direct inject pump. not one of a 1.6 idi. Then you use a early turbo diesel barometric compensation housing on the mechanical tdi pump to compensate for boost.

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As far as search terms what am I looking for to get "a mechanical injector pump on a di motor"? Were these imported to the US? If so on what? Year model ect...

Rover never sold diesels in the usa. Some rover fanatics have imported them anyway.

200tdi and 300tdi are sort of engine names. I'm not clear on precisely which range and/or land rovers these were in.

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Reply #13March 24, 2014, 08:04:20 am

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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2014, 08:04:20 am »
LR discovery
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Reply #14March 24, 2014, 11:58:05 am

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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2014, 11:58:05 am »
Look on advanced automation website - they have brand new bosch pumps MTDI.  However that is the big, big$$ expensive route to get one.  LR is the better way to go.
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96' 1.6 TD Golf, Giles pump, VNT 17, Gas changed to Diesel, Air to Water Int.

 

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