building 1.6d to td tips?

[dieseljunkie69]

If you use the 210mm flywheel and proper disk for your tranny splines, and then use a 16v pressure plate it is possible to up clamping force.

[akcoalroller]

If you use the 210mm flywheel and proper disk for your tranny splines, and then use a 16v pressure plate it is possible to up clamping force.

thats what i was reading. apparently alot of people with 5speeds were slipping the clutch in fourth and 5th and i would rather not have that happen

[theman53]

also was curious about swapping to the sachs 210mm clutch kit, if i swap to this would it be best to upgrade the flywheel to 210mm aswell?

as stated you need the flywheel to go bigger. The benefit to the extra 10mm is that you have more clutch, figure the area in the 200 and subtract it from the area of 210. The other benefit is when changing you usually get a new clutch instead of throwing the old one in again, so the new grabs better. Also, when buying new you can get upgrades, like clutchnet, south bend clutch, and others that make a PP that pushes harder for more grip. It is all in what you want.

[akcoalroller]

Yea I have looked around and found lots of different ones. Summit even sells them they generally range from 70-400 bucks

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[akcoalroller]

Plus if this engine goes I should be able to put the new upgraded clutch in the next 1.6

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[vwroadkill]

I recently added a turbo to my high mileage 16d...it did NOT last long.. had fun but ... if you can get a turbo block just do it.. I scored a cylinder. just remember your engine was not designed to accommodate a turbo. I knew this.
just sharing my hard knocks, hopefully saving you money and time.
good luck
Dan

[damac]

I recently added a turbo to my high mileage 16d...it did NOT last long.. had fun but ... if you can get a turbo block just do it.. I scored a cylinder. just remember your engine was not designed to accommodate a turbo. I knew this.
just sharing my hard knocks, hopefully saving you money and time.
good luck
Dan

What makes you certain it was the turbo?

I have slapped a turbo on more than one engine for a couple years worth of drive time with all the stock vw parts, stock fueling and never had even a head gasket blow yet?

[vwroadkill]

Oh I don't believe it was the turbo... it was a contributor, by all means, but not the culprit, I was the master of my own demise, but I knew this. a high mileage engine, heavy right foot stupid,, grinning the whole time was what did this in.. it still runs and drives but consumes oil at a very high rate. I am replacing the motor as we speak. with a turbo block and head.. using all the accessories from the other engine..
I am, merely, recommending that he save time..
again it was fun...lots of fun

[TimpanogosSlim]

Oh I don't believe it was the turbo... it was a contributor, by all means, but not the culprit, I was the master of my own demise, but I knew this. a high mileage engine, heavy right foot stupid,, grinning the whole time was what did this in.. it still runs and drives but consumes oil at a very high rate. I am replacing the motor as we speak. with a turbo block and head.. using all the accessories from the other engine..
I am, merely, recommending that he save time..
again it was fun...lots of fun

I don't see what that has to do with scoring a cylinder? maybe i'm a dunce.

the main difference with the turbo shortblock is the oil squirters under the pistons, no?

did you give the non-turbo block a ring job, a hone and a ringe job, a bore and a ring job, or none of the above before adding the turbo?

[vwroadkill]

first, My apologies for Hijacking this thread.
second. with unknown miles on said motor. add a turbo. of well questionable life... smile real big add alots of right foot... and well oil use goes up OPEC smiles... add lots of white smoke with in days of adding said equipment..
remove engine., open up and find scored cylinder...
AKcoalroller. have fun doing what you want. I had fun and well so much for that...
intercooler and oil cooler are the two things you need to add.
I used an intercooler from a Mitsubishi starion.. oil cooler from a Volvo and made my own piping.. not hard

[vanbcguy]

There are a number of differences between the turbo and non turbo engines beyond the piston squirters. The pistons themselves are different - I believe they are a bit more stout than the NA ones plus they have the cutout for the squirter. Depending on the year the prechamber was different too. But that's not saying the VW NA has any trouble with a turbo per say. Compared to say the Toyota diesels which have drastically different pistons and things on their turbo vs NA engines.

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[akcoalroller]

I at least am adding an intercooler to the project. That will be happening. I'm going to attempt at getting the other 1.6t here in a little while. I work on just about the top of the world so I am a ways away from going to pick up the other engine or even work on mine yet. I plan on just running the one I have for awhile (til it blows up) then swap in the turbo motor. I plan on building up the turbo motor a tad as well so I want to take my time with it. This is not a daily driver. It is just a summertime car for fun if i I want to drive it. As I have seen in many other threads, there are guys that have done pretty much the same this as me and then engine still seems to be running. Plus, a large amount of the parts on this 1.6l will swap over to the other which is also a great thing. I am only home half the year so its a fun project I have to work on and I learn a lot from everyone on here and I really appreciate all the input. As of now I am debating on what turbocharger I would like to run. Have a t3 and also a Garrett off a TDI both with proper manifolds. Also trying to get a k24 from another member of this site. It will at least be intercooled but will not have an oil cooler. We generally don't run oilcoolers in Alaska. It really doesn't get that warm here. Just like all the guys down south that have to run deep tranny pans on their diesel trucks, we don't do that here either. We see more problems with oil coolers than good. I had issues with them all the time so finally deleted them from all my equipment I run up here.

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[Dakotakid]

In the case of roadkill, one will never know for sure, but if you were burning a hot fire on top of an cold aluminum piston which was still working to expand in it's cast iron bore....well, then...ya. You may well be guilty. Always intelligently warm these up before going nuts.

[vwroadkill]

^^^^^ what he said... he is right... ... post pics of your build when it starts...

[akcoalroller]

thanks, will do. the build has already started. i finally go home tomorrow so ill be installing the headstuds and going from there on.  have a big box of new parts to unload and sort out once i get home. have yet to order the clutch but i am liking the idea of the ACT 6pad sprung center kit. that way i can swap it onto the next 1.6