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Reply #60December 17, 2013, 10:27:36 am

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« Reply #60 on: December 17, 2013, 10:27:36 am »
How do i fix this? ?????  i dont understand at all. Even if the mount DID get tweaked just a tiny bit......its bolted to the engine in like 8 places.
would this not straighten it out?  If i take the mount off, how do i correct it?  Can i correct it without removing the mount? just removing the TB and the pump....loosening all the bolts and then going back at it?   

I swore to myself last night after seeing this that i would push the car off a cliff.... only half kidding. I've got too many projects, and this one needs to get wrapped up so i can take my 8 MPG lifted jeep off the road and start saving money with my rabbit again!!

Reply #61December 17, 2013, 10:29:25 am

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« Reply #61 on: December 17, 2013, 10:29:25 am »
I doubt the mount itself is tweaked my bet is that the pump is out of alignment. Do a search of Belt tracking and you will find the topic

Reply #62December 17, 2013, 10:50:40 am

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« Reply #62 on: December 17, 2013, 10:50:40 am »
so you got the car and it didn't have a belt tracking issue and you are using the same injection pump?

so if you are using the same parts and took the bracket off and pressed in another mount, you could easily bend it with a press.  i know i have used a cut one in the garage as a spacing plate and it bends :)

i wouldn't want any part of trying to bend something like that straight. 

i use the im shaft pulley with no lips because i had read on here that its better at not chewing up and came that way later?

if nobody screwed with shimming the tensioner pulley(old owners do crazy things), don't know what else it could be in your case?


for whatever reason most of the time i come across a pump that tracks to the outside of engine.


if i thought i bent the bracket i would just get another myself before attempting to adjust the injection pump bracket?  but sometimes you got to do what you got to do?


its an annoying process of changing position of injection pump bracket that attaches to front of block, then putting pump back on and turning motor over a good number of time to see where it settles.  i have had it take a handfull of tries before.

to make it a bit easier put everything at tdc with pump lock pin and clamp belt to sprocket and sprocket to bracket.  so you can then line pump keyway into the sprocket taper, hand tighten pump mount bolts and torque the sprocket bolt to pull everything back into place.


definately get a second opinion on this, but i believe you want to move the bracket the opposite of what your instinct would say.  so in your case i think you want to drop the right side of the bracket down to get the belt away from the engine.

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Reply #63December 17, 2013, 11:20:09 am

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« Reply #63 on: December 17, 2013, 11:20:09 am »
I doubt the mount itself is tweaked my bet is that the pump is out of alignment. Do a search of Belt tracking and you will find the topic

I found a bunch of threads talking about a tech service bulletin  that VW put up on this issue......cant find it anywhere though.
Also......found alot of people talking about adjusting the tracking with that bracket.

Havent found anything about aligning the pump itself? How do i do this?


Is there saposed to be a spacer or washer behind the tensioner? I currently have nothing behind it. Basically, the injection pump sprocket is sticking too far out toward the passenger side. the sprocket needs to go in in the direction of the driver side, to track properly again.



Reply #64December 17, 2013, 11:21:30 am

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« Reply #64 on: December 17, 2013, 11:21:30 am »
so you got the car and it didn't have a belt tracking issue and you are using the same injection pump?

so if you are using the same parts and took the bracket off and pressed in another mount, you could easily bend it with a press.  i know i have used a cut one in the garage as a spacing plate and it bends :)

i wouldn't want any part of trying to bend something like that straight. 

i use the im shaft pulley with no lips because i had read on here that its better at not chewing up and came that way later?

if nobody screwed with shimming the tensioner pulley(old owners do crazy things), don't know what else it could be in your case?


for whatever reason most of the time i come across a pump that tracks to the outside of engine.


if i thought i bent the bracket i would just get another myself before attempting to adjust the injection pump bracket?  but sometimes you got to do what you got to do?


its an annoying process of changing position of injection pump bracket that attaches to front of block, then putting pump back on and turning motor over a good number of time to see where it settles.  i have had it take a handfull of tries before.

to make it a bit easier put everything at tdc with pump lock pin and clamp belt to sprocket and sprocket to bracket.  so you can then line pump keyway into the sprocket taper, hand tighten pump mount bolts and torque the sprocket bolt to pull everything back into place.


definately get a second opinion on this, but i believe you want to move the bracket the opposite of what your instinct would say.  so in your case i think you want to drop the right side of the bracket down to get the belt away from the engine.



Well.....this is the thing. i didnt press the new mount in. Im a classic backyard mechanic. i beat it into submission ontop of a big flat tree stump, using a block of wood and a big sledge hammer. but still. 1/4 inch plate.........thats a thick piece of steel to bend.

Reply #65December 17, 2013, 01:50:08 pm

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« Reply #65 on: December 17, 2013, 01:50:08 pm »
First off, relax.  99% of the time, if you remove the pump bracket and reinstall it, you need to adjust the tracking or it will be way off.  Yes, a PITA, but both to be expected and in the greater scheme of things very small potatoes. 

To get the belt to track closer to the block, the injection pump bracket needs to be adjusted so the sprocket end moves DOWN and the end with the metal lines moves UP.  If you need it to track farther from the block, then you need to move the sprocket UP and the metal lines DOWN.  Remove the belt and bracket.  Loosen the two bolts that mount the two bracket parts together and the two bolts that mount the bracket piece behind the pump to the block.  Push it UP if you need the line side of the pump to go UP, or DOWN if the line side needs to go DOWN.  Install the pump and belt and run it through a few revolutions by hand and see where it lands the tracking.  If you need more adjustment, then you will need to loosen the bolts fastening the flat piece across the block and push that the other direction.  If it's a mk1, you'll need to jack/lift the engine in that case. 

Reply #66December 17, 2013, 02:02:16 pm

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« Reply #66 on: December 17, 2013, 02:02:16 pm »
First off, relax.  99% of the time, if you remove the pump bracket and reinstall it, you need to adjust the tracking or it will be way off.  Yes, a PITA, but both to be expected and in the greater scheme of things very small potatoes. 

To get the belt to track closer to the block, the injection pump bracket needs to be adjusted so the sprocket end moves DOWN and the end with the metal lines moves UP.  If you need it to track farther from the block, then you need to move the sprocket UP and the metal lines DOWN.  Remove the belt and bracket.  Loosen the two bolts that mount the two bracket parts together and the two bolts that mount the bracket piece behind the pump to the block.  Push it UP if you need the line side of the pump to go UP, or DOWN if the line side needs to go DOWN.  Install the pump and belt and run it through a few revolutions by hand and see where it lands the tracking.  If you need more adjustment, then you will need to loosen the bolts fastening the flat piece across the block and push that the other direction.  If it's a mk1, you'll need to jack/lift the engine in that case. 

Thanks for responding Libby, your knowledge here seems to be almost unsurpassed from all the threads ive read! lol.

So. I've come to the conclusion after today that yes. My tracking is off. thats #1.
#2. I ordered a new Continental timing belt.

I have a few small clarifications needed on your post you just wrote.

- When you say, remove the belt, and bracket.......which bracket are you referring to exactly?
- I need the belt to track further toward the passenger side fender, as it is now chewing up against the IP bracket...
- Do i need to remove the pump? Looking at the engine from the front of the car. i need to push the right side of this bracket DOWN. correct? How much movement should i start with to try and get it right the first time? are we talking a 1/16 of an inch, or are we talking about a half inch?

Thanks again!!! Hopefully tomorrow night i can get this done properly once and for all!

Reply #67December 17, 2013, 02:06:00 pm

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« Reply #67 on: December 17, 2013, 02:06:00 pm »
Theres a picture here that i believe shows the bracket that you're referring to.

http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=14133.0

Reply #68December 17, 2013, 02:12:22 pm

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« Reply #68 on: December 17, 2013, 02:12:22 pm »
For all those wondering........Here is my car / pseudo build thread.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?6081477-Ol-Sooty-coming-soon/page3&highlight=sooty

Reply #69December 17, 2013, 04:12:05 pm

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« Reply #69 on: December 17, 2013, 04:12:05 pm »
The bolt holes are over-sized in order to give adjustment.  If you need it to track away from the block, then loosen the four bolts (two that bolt the bracket part behind the pump to the block and the two that bolt that part to the other bracket part) and I'd start by pushing it down as far as it will go. 

Reply #70December 17, 2013, 04:20:50 pm

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« Reply #70 on: December 17, 2013, 04:20:50 pm »
The bolt holes are over-sized in order to give adjustment.  If you need it to track away from the block, then loosen the four bolts (two that bolt the bracket part behind the pump to the block and the two that bolt that part to the other bracket part) and I'd start by pushing it down as far as it will go. 

okay awesome. doesnt seem TOO complicated, but i bet its a solid nights worth of work. In this cold weather here in NY...it gets rough at night lol.

SO, last question. Looking at that bracket standing infront of the car.....the right side of the bracket needs to go down, which would in turn rotate the IP sprocket up and to the right, clockwise ?

Reply #71December 17, 2013, 05:11:30 pm

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« Reply #71 on: December 17, 2013, 05:11:30 pm »
Correct.  Sprocket up, lines down = belt tracking further from the block.  Dropping that bracket part behind the injection pump is basically causing the pump to rotate clockwise from the perspective you mention.