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Tdiclubers hate mtdi!!
by
bbob203
on 12 Oct, 2013 22:37
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#1
by
libbydiesel
on 12 Oct, 2013 22:57
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People who don't know, don't know...
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#2
by
bbob203
on 12 Oct, 2013 23:06
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interestingly the guy is in another thread asking about why his throttle pedal has a dead spot.
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#3
by
CRSMP5
on 12 Oct, 2013 23:09
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yep why i do not really post there... makes me feel they should ban me like poortex...
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#4
by
8v-of-fury
on 12 Oct, 2013 23:30
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I weighed in. Idiots. haha
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#5
by
libbydiesel
on 13 Oct, 2013 12:00
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I love doing wiring and would really enjoy doing a full electronic install except that the finished product is so much worse. I keep wanting someone in vanagonland to pay me to do one but there's no way I would do an electronic install on a conversion I planned on keeping for myself. The thought of someone producing a standalone engine harness seems silly to me. They get all the fun of doing the electronics, you pay them money and then you end up with an eTDI? That's a bad deal in every way for the person buying the harness. I've actually seriously considered getting into doing the harnesses as a fun way to make money and stick it to all the eTDI sycophant suckers.
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#6
by
vanbcguy
on 13 Oct, 2013 19:25
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It's pretty funny actually poking around on there - the general knowledge level seems to be so much less than over here in terms of actual understanding of what is going on in their engines. They all seem to think the computer is doing a whole hell of a lot more than it actually is, especially with the older engines. Like yeah, the computer actually knows what the timing is doing at any given moment, but it's really only got a very basic map that it's using for making adjustments.
One huge thing with most modern electronic engines is that they behave consistently regardless of conditions. That often means they don't live up to their full potential when conditions could allow them to get more "bang" for their buck. Perfect example is gasser turbos. On a cold morning the air density is higher - that could allow you to get more power (like on old carbureted cars - they'd always run AWESOME on a clear cold morning). Instead though to provide 'consistent' performance the car behaves just like it would if it was a muggy warm day. The intake air is a lot colder and denser, it'd be easy to get an extra 10% out of the engine but no no no, gotta make sure the car acts exactly the same as it always does.
But really that's what most people in the new car market want. It's why Starbucks / McDonalds / etc are successful - people value consistency over quality.
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#7
by
bbob203
on 13 Oct, 2013 19:44
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It's pretty funny actually poking around on there - the general knowledge level seems to be so much less than over here in terms of actual understanding of what is going on in their engines. They all seem to think the computer is doing a whole hell of a lot more than it actually is, especially with the older engines. Like yeah, the computer actually knows what the timing is doing at any given moment, but it's really only got a very basic map that it's using for making adjustments.
One huge thing with most modern electronic engines is that they behave consistently regardless of conditions. That often means they don't live up to their full potential when conditions could allow them to get more "bang" for their buck. Perfect example is gasser turbos. On a cold morning the air density is higher - that could allow you to get more power (like on old carbureted cars - they'd always run AWESOME on a clear cold morning). Instead though to provide 'consistent' performance the car behaves just like it would if it was a muggy warm day. The intake air is a lot colder and denser, it'd be easy to get an extra 10% out of the engine but no no no, gotta make sure the car acts exactly the same as it always does.
But really that's what most people in the new car market want. It's why Starbucks / McDonalds / etc are successful - people value consistency over quality.
Dude you hit it. The modern consumer loves homogenized products..
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#8
by
RabbitJockey
on 13 Oct, 2013 22:23
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Tdi club is a bunch of band wagon d bags
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#9
by
CRSMP5
on 13 Oct, 2013 22:54
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much like portex...
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#10
by
the caveman
on 14 Oct, 2013 12:29
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i am now proudly banned from TDI club
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#11
by
RabbitJockey
on 14 Oct, 2013 13:09
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just a bunch of clowns smelling their own farts worshipping the virtues of a computer controlled ecu and vnt turbos, installing extra oil filters, and then doing some more fart smelling.
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#12
by
libbydiesel
on 14 Oct, 2013 13:36
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#13
by
Zeitgeist
on 14 Oct, 2013 17:12
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I'm truly baffled by all the nastiness coming from the E-crowd on this topic. Ignorance is a dish best served alone.
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#14
by
bbob203
on 14 Oct, 2013 19:04
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If I was building a race car I would probably use electronics but for something I am going to drive 1000's of miles in one direction into the wild where there is no electricity mechanical makes to much sense.