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Reply #15October 03, 2013, 07:50:05 pm

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Re: AAZ install advice - Syncro Vanagon
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2013, 07:50:05 pm »
FWIW, swapping out an AAZ to install a 2.5 Subaru engine sounds like a downgrade to me.  I haven't driven the 2.5 but I've driven a 2.2 Subaru and my tuned 1.6TD did better.  In stock form, tho, the AAZ is de-tuned fairly significantly.  

The syncro drive train sits 1-1/2" lower than the 2WD.  Regardless, even with 100% stock diesel mount geometry on a 2WD Vanagon, the aneroid on the injection pump does not protrude above the tops of the ribs of the engine lid.  

Here is a pic of the engine lid of an AAZ conversion that I did to a 2WD Vanagon:



I cut out a rectangular section of the lid and used a piece of sheet metal to cover the rectangle.  The sheet metal is resting right on top of the ribs and so raises the lid the thickness of the sheet metal (<1/16").  On a syncro there would be enough extra space to add another 3/4" of sound insulation to the bottom of the stock lid before there was any interference...  

As far as bolting up to a Syncro, yes, using the tiico adapter plate (or the diesel vanagon bell housing on the syncro trans) it will bolt up fine @ 50°.  I'm not particularly familiar with the Tiico adapter so I can't comment on whether or not it is better than the KEP.  I'd be tempted to go to the stock diesel-vanagon bell housing.  I'm also not familiar with the starter that comes with the Tiico kit.  Will it crank over the AAZ (400psi+ compression) fast enough?

Get rid of the long plumbing of the Saab intercooler.  Why did they place it on the passenger side?  That long run adds lag with no benefit.  It's better to locate the air filter to the passenger side because you would not be adding lag on a long run from the air filter.  You'd just need large enough diameter tubing to be sure it wasn't restrictive.  If you go with a d-pillar air-to-air system, don't vent it into the wheel well area like that.  Everyone who I have talked to who has done it that way has had mediocre results at best.  The d-pillar vent and wheel well area are both high pressure areas and so opening the d-pillar to the wheel well effectively stops airflow through the d-pillar.  The engine compartment, on the other hand, is low pressure and so venting the air into the engine compartment results in better airflow and a more effective air-to-air install.  





You might consider an air-to-water intercooler instead in order to keep the oil cooler on the pass side d-piller and the air cleaner on the driver's side d-pillar.  A well balanced air-to-water system will do a better job cooling the charge air and will add less intake volume (less lag).  It does add some cost and complexity, tho.

The pics show factory carrier bars, but the left one has been cut and welded.  It looks like that cut and weld on the DS would raise the engine.   ???

K03 turbo is very small.  It becomes an exhaust restriction at higher rpms even at stock boost pressures.  15 psi on a K14 is noticeably more power.  On the good side, tho, it is insta-boost and so gives decent off-the-line performance which might be more desirable in a syncro than top-end performance.

Thanks for the photos and feedback.

I'm glad to hear you consider the 2.5 a downgrade. I really want this 1.9 to perform well, as I'd prefer to be burning diesel.

I noticed the cut and weld on the carrier bar as well. Not sure why. It does look like the exhaust wouldn't clear if it weren't modified. Maybe that is why. This set up came right out of another Syncro, so it should bolt right back in without any mods.

I am considering swapping some of the existing parts out to some FAS parts. I'm still evaluating engine condition and costs and then need to consider the priorities and budget.

What is the acceptable compression range for this engine? How much effect will not having it warmed(it is out of the van) have on the readings?


Reply #16October 04, 2013, 06:29:31 am

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Re: AAZ install advice - Syncro Vanagon
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2013, 06:29:31 am »
Compression should be over 400PSI, anything less than that and it would be considered "worn".  It will probably run down in to the low 3's but starting gets progressively more difficult.  A "fresh" engine should be around 500PSI.

Compression is usually higher warm, but it should be able to make 400PSI cold.
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Reply #17October 04, 2013, 06:46:30 am

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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2013, 06:46:30 am »
Cold compression check can give false indication of issues.  Sometimes cold a lifter will have bled down and not pump up very quickly.  The result is what looks like a low compression cylinder. 

Reply #18October 04, 2013, 06:52:02 am

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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2013, 06:52:02 am »
Hi

Its a common swap on this side of the pond, it may be slightly more difficult as you don't seem to have access to as many parts in the scrap yards (I think you call them bone yards)as we do.

Take a look at the "Brickyard" web site, scroll to the Diesel upgrade section and enjoy a couple of hours reading with a beer.


http://www.brick-yard.co.uk/forum/t3-diesel-upgrades_forum21.html

good luck

Reply #19October 05, 2013, 05:31:14 pm

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« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2013, 05:31:14 pm »
What is the starter motor location with this setup? One big stumbling block on a Syncro using stock VW mounts & bellhousing is you need a diesel-specific fuel tank, because the starter is on top of the trans rather than on the side as on the WBX.
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Reply #20October 05, 2013, 09:28:37 pm

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« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2013, 09:28:37 pm »
Adapter plate. No clearance issues, apparently - it came out of another Syncro.

Reply #21October 05, 2013, 09:36:19 pm

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« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2013, 09:36:19 pm »
Hi

Its a common swap on this side of the pond, it may be slightly more difficult as you don't seem to have access to as many parts in the scrap yards (I think you call them bone yards)as we do.

Take a look at the "Brickyard" web site, scroll to the Diesel upgrade section and enjoy a couple of hours reading with a beer.


http://www.brick-yard.co.uk/forum/t3-diesel-upgrades_forum21.html

Thanks for the link

good luck

Reply #22October 06, 2013, 10:06:57 am

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Re: AAZ install advice - Syncro Vanagon
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2013, 10:06:57 am »
How many HP are these good for?


Reply #23October 06, 2013, 10:17:48 am

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Re: AAZ install advice - Syncro Vanagon
« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2013, 10:17:48 am »
How many HP are these good for?



Looks like they double it - great find!
Jim W - 82 Vanagon Westy - AAZ 1.9, Mild head port, Cummins Holset HE200WE turbo, Frozen Boost WAIC, 10" Charge-pipe intake, Ball bearing IM shaft, Giles Pump, 215/70R16, AAP 5 speed Trans. 22 lbs max boost

Reply #24October 06, 2013, 04:59:05 pm

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Reply #25October 06, 2013, 05:21:37 pm

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« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2013, 05:21:37 pm »
Productive day today, thanks to some help from Zeitgeist and what is most certainly the coolest compression tester EVER. Moto Meter. German, of course.



After determining the #8 jumper cables were too puny to turn the engine effectively, we engineered some hard wired #4 directly into the dual batteries in my F250 diesel. No voltage drop now!





Compression results appear to be good. Yes? Cold engine. Been sitting for a couple weeks. Not much oil in it. 410, 405, 415, 377. The Bentley calls out 363-450 in a new, warmed engine and a minimum 276 with a difference of no great than 73 between cylinders.



Some questions.

What is the make on this oil filter adapter and is it thermostatically controlled? It was connected to cooler with fan.




How does this rear main seal look? Doesn't appear to be leaking. Looks like it as changed recently.



This dipstick looks like it has had some soldering done to it, and it is not firmly connected to the block. Any replacement or repair recommendations?



Here it is now. Ready for a little more tear down and then lots of Simple Green(or oven cleaner as a local mechanic recommended). Yes, I will be collecting the run off from this one.



« Last Edit: October 06, 2013, 10:04:03 pm by JimEG »

Reply #26October 06, 2013, 05:49:23 pm

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Re: AAZ - Root beer Syncro Vanagon
« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2013, 05:49:23 pm »
I believe that is the same adapter I purchased from Summit Racing. If it is, then yes, it is thermostatically controlled. There's a bi-metal spring inside that expands when it gets warm, restricting flow to the return port and forcing more oil to the cooler. I ended up getting a remote one which is more like a radiator thermo valve - seemed a bit more positive and would flow better.
Jim W - 82 Vanagon Westy - AAZ 1.9, Mild head port, Cummins Holset HE200WE turbo, Frozen Boost WAIC, 10" Charge-pipe intake, Ball bearing IM shaft, Giles Pump, 215/70R16, AAP 5 speed Trans. 22 lbs max boost

Reply #27October 13, 2013, 08:05:06 pm

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« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2013, 08:05:06 pm »
Moving along. Cleaned up and in the shop now. Zeitgeist talked me back down from the edge earlier - the timing belt/crank pulley tear down had me quite sketched out. I've resealed gas tank, tore down and rebuilt an entire front end of a Van,  but for some reason the timing belt situation was intimidating me. Maybe its the thought that if I eff something up my engine could be destroyed(ish). So, Zeitgeist will be back with some fancy tools referenced in the Bentley and I in the meantime pulled what I could.

Here are some pic's and some questions.

Steamy. I had my plumber add an exterior hot water outlet when I renovated my 1916 home. And, tankless water heater - I never run out!


This sucks. There is a good welder in town. Im hoping he will look at this and say "no sweat".


My engine's first language is...Spanish?


This is the box for the nozzles that I believe are in the engine. Does that part number look correct for this engine? The PO stated the motor had "bigger injectors" in it currently.


What does this do?


Engine serial number.  - 028103021BE.


And there it is, for now.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2013, 09:57:52 pm by JimEG »

Reply #28October 14, 2013, 05:47:47 am

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« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2013, 05:47:47 am »
Lookin' good Mr
I'll let the IP experts explain the tube. One bit I would definitely change is to remote mount the oil filter. Changing it on a 50 degree layout without making a mess is tough. If you decide to head that route, you might install a cooler as well. Some folks run one in front but I opted to tuck mine up in the frame. I suppose if I was going to go off road, I'd have gone with the "up front" mounting.

The WAIC cooler is forward, oil cooler behind.


I ended up removing the water/oil pre-heater chingus as I had heard horror stories of it leaking oil into the water. Instead I installed a thermo-valve - also remote mounted.


I envy your assistance from Zeitgeist.
Jim W - 82 Vanagon Westy - AAZ 1.9, Mild head port, Cummins Holset HE200WE turbo, Frozen Boost WAIC, 10" Charge-pipe intake, Ball bearing IM shaft, Giles Pump, 215/70R16, AAP 5 speed Trans. 22 lbs max boost

Reply #29October 14, 2013, 05:57:04 am

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« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2013, 05:57:04 am »
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What does this do?

I'm no expert, but  the book say:

That is a feature to de-activate the LFB ("Load Dependent Start of Delivery").