performance forum?

[935racer]

I think it would be nice if we had a straight up performance engine forum, tdi and IDI. The regular IDI forum is too cluttered for my liking, this is my favorite website, but I havent felt motivated to post necause its just seems un organized, but mostly I ahve been too busy.  WHat do you guys think am I being to whiny?

[wyldman]

A performance forum would be sweet ! It would make it easier to find stuff,as a lot of the good performance and modding posts do get buried in the regular forums.

[DVST8R]

Dave I think your whiny.... but you still have my vote for a performance forum.  

[hillfolk'r]

yea that would be cool,,,,making  it for idi/tdi,cause some of us tdi guys came from there(me),and we still use some idi parts on tdi-m's ,,like inj. pumps(me again),,and this way this tuning stuff can be discussed more by bothsides

[vwmike]

I think this sounds like a great idea. The hardcore forum made a big difference in that it brought everyone together to share some interesting ideas. I was on there pretty much from the beginning and watched it evolved quite a bit....then it got hacked and now it's not quite the same as it was, but that's ok. I don't think this new performance diesel forum should be locked. Justin did that basically to keep all of the vortex people out of there. The diesel community just isn't that big so this doesn't seem like much of a concern.

[HP]

I agree, but in my opinion there should be separate IDI and TDI.
But that's just me...

[wyldman]

I agree, but in my opinion there should be separate IDI and TDI.
But that's just me...

That is true,it wouldbe easier to find stuff it wasn't grouped together.

[QuickTD]

This place IS the performance forum. The problem seems to be that alot of troubleshooting/general repair posts are ending up in the TDI/IDI forums. Perhaps what is needed is a little discipline?  I can appreciate that people like to post where the traffic is, but lets try to keep the TDI/IDI forums about engine performance.

 Instead of adding another forum how about renaming the low traffic "General" forum the "General TDI/IDI Maintenance and Repair" forum and the "Troubleshooting" could be renamed the "TDI/IDI troubleshooting" forum. That way new users may be more inclined to post thier repair questions there. The seperate TDI/IDI forums could then be renamed "TDI performance" and "IDI performance".

[bhtooefr]

:?

But then you clutter up the General forum with TDI AND IDI stuff, which (IMO) should really be separate.

Now, this opinion's gonna ruffle some feathers, but... there's TDIClub for TDI stuff. Heck, when someone has a problem with an IDI over on TDIClub, I send them here. But, how many people really come here for TDI performance? I think of this forum as an IDI forum more than anything.

[jackbombay]

This place IS the performance forum. The problem seems to be that alot of troubleshooting/general repair posts are ending up in the TDI/IDI forums. Perhaps what is needed is a little discipline?

  I can say that I am guilty of posting non-perf items in this forum. At this point it seems like it would be easier to make a new forum for perf and change this one to maintenance than to attempt to alter the behavior of almost every member here.

  I always use the "new posts since last visit" button so forums are not low or high traffic to me, I see everything  :twisted:  :lol:  :roll:

[BlackTieTD]

IDI general
IDI performance/power enhancing
TDI general
TDI performance/power enhancing

like that

[LeeG]

More specific:
IDI engine maintenance & Troubleshooting (current IDI forum)
IDI performance/power enhancing  (New Forum)
TDI engine maintenance & Troubleshooting (current)
TDI performance/power enhancing  (new)
Troubleshooting Non engine related (rename Troubleshooting)

And maybe make the FAQ something only administrative users can update and use it as a repository for the 'best of ' threads on govener mods, 1.9 crank fixes, engine swaps, the re-occuring threads.

[fspGTD]

I'm with QuickTD.  Making more clear the intent of the IDI and DI sections being for "engine performance enhancement" (and nothing else) would be a much better way to go to improve the organization than adding a duplicate forum for performance enhancement that would actually even be less specific/focused (and therefore more cluttered) by allowing both DI and IDI content together.

I think a better solution would be to better publicize or communicate the organization of which forums are power enhancement only.  Perhaps simply with a rename of "IDI Engine" to "IDI Power Enhancement" and "DI Engine" to "DI Power Enhancement".  Also, Marc has been the only one doing the thankless job or reorganizing miscategorized threads, and is understandably probably overwhelmed at times.  I would say perhaps someone else should volunteer to help him out by taking on or sharing this duty.

It is IMO useful to have one broad general forum that encourages both IDI and DI content, or content that is not necessarily even VW engine or model related, for example to talk about the difference or pros and cons between DI versus IDI, or say to talk about things not related to VW models at all, like news related to diesels or VW in general, questions like "which car should I buy", etc.  IMO the general section being an available and not necessarily engine related "catch-all" is a good thing.

We might consider breaking "troubleshooting" into 2 or more different categories because the current section covers an awfully broad territory.  "DI troubleshooting" and "IDI troubleshooting" seems like a good natural way to split it into 2.  It would certainly make it easier to understand what people are talking about who ask questions without mentioning which model / year / engine they are specifically thinking about.

Edit: I like LeeG's idea to break troubleshooting into 3 categories.  I also agree with him that the FAQ process could probably use some kind of improvement.  I don't think the way it is now where anyone can post threads there will make a sustainably useful FAQ section.  But the potential downfall of limiting access there is that unless the people maintaining it has enough time on their hands to do it, it may make it difficult to keep the section up to date.

[935racer]

What I meant by the performance forum that I originally mentioned was something that was more along the lines of head flowing, piston machining, custom manifolds and turbos, injection pumps, injectors etc. stuff that IS transferable (for the most part) between IDI and TDI, but I am not opposed to having specific IDI and TDI sections either.

AS for TDIclub, I try to avoid it. In my mind tahts the very deffinition of a poor forum. I would really like to start adding some of my performance TDI stuff to this site, in hopes of not having to deal with near as much crap as I would have to on tdiclub.

Marc I would be more than willing to help moderate the forums and I am pretty sure Malone would be too. I really appreciate all the work you have done to keep this great site going!

[Otis2]

Agree mostly with fspGTD and QuickTD.  

I don't see a need for more new forums, and I prefer the divided organization of IDI/TDI that we have already.  The subtitles that are already there on the forum titles make it very clear what purpose each forum is to be used.  (eg.: it already says, "Power enhancement section for Indirect Injection engine")

As QuickTD said, the issue is discipline.  All of us are guilty of a lack of that sometimes, so what's needed is an external check.  That is, a moderator.  Or, more specifically, several moderators, to share the load.

As Jake said, it's too much to expect one person to do it all.  If there were, say, 4 to 6 people with moderator software powers,  then off-topic posts could easily and regularly be moved into their appropriate slot.  

I know there are several Volvo drivers here, who also read Turbobricks from time to time.  I think that forum is usually run pretty efficiently with a multi-moderator approach.  The Performance section is ruthlessly moderated several times per day by several different moderators.  Off-topic posts are moved to the appropriate forum (called, "Maintenance and Non-Performance") within a couple of hours.