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Reply #15November 11, 2006, 06:51:33 am

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« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2006, 06:51:33 am »
The smart has an official top speed of 130km/h so I bet they sound wound out at 120 :)
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Reply #16November 15, 2006, 02:57:49 am

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« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2006, 02:57:49 am »
wonder if you can get tranny upgrades for them... and like Hillshy said, bigger alloys would increase the overall top speed (not by too much but still...)

the gas version only gets like 50-60 mpg??? not too impressive for its size... geo has already done that.


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Reply #17November 15, 2006, 05:32:54 am

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« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2006, 05:32:54 am »
Not Diesel...but cool...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8819404068306899756

Smart car with a GSXR1000 engine.

I believe Malone played with one and did some calculations on what can be done to a smart car.
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Reply #18November 16, 2006, 06:26:58 am

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« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2006, 06:26:58 am »
Thanks, I have not laughed so hard in a long time.  This is waht happens when teenagers are not supervised propperly  :lol:

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Reply #19November 27, 2006, 09:28:24 pm

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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2006, 09:28:24 pm »
So the Smart Diablo runs 13 second 1/4 miles? Thats pretty impressive. Bet he still can't pick up girls in it.
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Reply #20February 16, 2007, 12:20:00 pm

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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2007, 12:20:00 pm »
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I believe Malone played with one and did some calculations on what can be done to a smart car.


OK, I chipped a 0.8L 3cyl common rail diesel (at present the only engine option that's available in Canadian Smarts) about a year ago. At best without smoking too much, the gains are 41HP (stock) to 52HP (chipped), and 74lb-ft (stock) to 90lb-ft (chipped). Some tuners advertise an increase of 20HP or more but G-Tech results confirm that these estimates are exaggerated.

Stock acceleration (41HP) is advertised @ 19.8 seconds if I remember correctly. I forgot to time acceleration after the chip was installed but it feels more tolerable... my rough guess would be 14-15 secs. Not fast by any means, just more tolerable. 1/4 mile times are reduced frpm high 20s (stock) to mid-high 19s. Yes, only 1 to 1.5 second shaved off, even if the Smart smokes quite a bit. The trap speed at the end of the 1/4 mile is 70 MPH (112 km/h) vs. stock 65MPH trap speed. The 0.8L runs out of steam in the top end.

CMAP = Tuner in Calgary (I forget who).
VMAP = Tuner in Vancouver (flyingtiger.ca - NOT me).
Mozsimo = Tuner from Spain if I remember correctly.

    * HorsePower: 1st - Mozsimo (49.6), 2nd - CMap (47.9), 3rd - VMap (46.9), 4th - Stock (36.0)
    * Torque: 1st - Mozsimo (71.5), 2nd - VMap (69.3), 3rd - CMap (67.6), 4th - Stock (56.2)
    * 1/4 mile times: 1st - VMap (19.334), 2nd - Mozsimo (19.768), 3rd - CMap (19.881), 4th - Stock (20.946)
    * 1/4 mile trap speed: 1st - VMap (71.38), 2nd - Mozsimo (70.80), 3rd - CMap (69.01), 4th - Stock (65.44)

The HP and Torque values above are net numbers from G-Tech, not precisely engine or wheel horsepower. These results were taken by someone else, so I don't have G-tech results with my chip.

The Smart CDI's turbo is not controlled by the engine computer - it's only controlled by a mechanical wastegate like the IDI/VW TDs. The wastegate actuator is adjustable but there isn't much room for efficient boost increase... adjusting the actuator rod is mainly ideal for controlling boost spikes intially caused by an increased surge in fueling (from a more powerful fueling chip) rather than adding performance, AFAIK. That, and the inability to take VAG-COM logs, is why we don't need to bother making fully custom tunes for individual Smarts. We sell mostly canned tunes only. Smarts are also not very popular here on the west coast compared to Quebec/Ontario.

The 1.6TD's turbo is quite under-used (~10 PSI stock) so they have plenty of room for more boost while staying within the turbo's efficiency range.

A couple years ago I was excited about the Smart and thought of trying/buying one, but after playing with a customer's Smart, I chose to stick to VW diesels.

IMO the 1.6TDs are more economical and more tunable. New Smarts are $18k CAD last I checked, and they have a rather poor fuel economy/performance ratio compared to VW TDIs. 50-55 US MPG are commonly seen by Smart owners, with some hardcore drivers achieving 65-70+ US MPG (driving really really carefully). That's not impressive considering their size.

VW's 1.2L 3 cylinder "3L" with aluminum block in a MK1 Rabbit will have similar or better fuel economy and significantly better performance potential. Not to mention that including importing a 1.2L engine from Europe and swapping it in, it'll still cost half that of a Smart, so the Smart does not really pay for itself. The 2 seats, small cargo, and lackluster performance kills the deal.

A 1.4L 3cyl would also be ideal if we want a little more performance (there are 1.4Ls with 90HP stock and maybe 120whp after a little tuning) without hurting fuel economy much. The VW cars also have great aftermarket support (low cost suspension, lots of wheel options, seat options, lighting, etc.).

In conclusion, the Smart is just a novelty car IMO, although I respect them for adapting more people into accepting diesels.
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Reply #21August 24, 2007, 06:34:16 am

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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2007, 06:34:16 am »
The crash vidio is only half of the Top Gear item. The other bit shows a conventional car hit the barrier.

Try this link http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8147383381569023029

In a crash though the max instatanious deceleration the human body can cope with is below 30mph. Above that your heart tears free.

They did some more crash tests as well against bigger cars and the Smart always came off best. It's particullay good when hit from the side because it's so short the wheels take the impact and the passenger comparment is unaffected.

However it's become clear here where there are lots of them (not diesels though) it's clear that they are one of the toughest cars around.

My wifes had one for 7 years and it's been in 4 accidents and the only repair it's needed is to have some scratches polished out of the ABS panels when some yobs in an Ford Escourt deliberatly rammed her. The Ford suffered a lot of panel damage I'm pleased to say.

The funniest one was when she drove into a car park while the barrier was down and demolished it.

I love the car because it means I don't have to keep getting my Volvo bodywork repaired.

Reply #22August 24, 2007, 07:59:28 am

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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2007, 07:59:28 am »
If the smart doesn't deform that much (as it appears in the video) all that crash energy isn't being absorbed by the structure of the car.  It will mean they find your body ripped in to 4 pieces by the seatbelt.  Yummy.
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Reply #23August 24, 2007, 08:15:03 am

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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2007, 08:15:03 am »
Quote from: "Slave2School"
If the smart doesn't deform that much (as it appears in the video) all that crash energy isn't being absorbed by the structure of the car.  It will mean they find your body ripped in to 4 pieces by the seatbelt.  Yummy.


That test is a bit misleading in that it's 70mph into concrete. Thus compared to a 35mph test the car has 8 times the energy to dissipate. That's why it was able to move 20 tons of concrete.

The airbags would stop you getting quatered but you'd still be dead from the decelleration.

I real life that kind of crash rarely happens, in crashes with other cars the Smart come of very well as the Tridon safety cage absorbs energy very well, and the passenger compartment is supposed to hold it's integrity otherwise you get crushed.

Reply #24August 24, 2007, 09:14:05 am

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« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2007, 09:14:05 am »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s
At the very end they admit that on both cars the passengers would have been unlikely to survive.  Shades of all the NASCAR Modified drivers that were dying when they hit the walls even though there was minimal damage to the car frame.  NASCAR ended up mandating a frame that allowed more crush to help protect the driver.  I remember seeing a picture of one of those cars that hit the wall, with the only damage visible being the right front spindle broken - driver died.   Who cares if the cage survives if you don't.
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Reply #25August 24, 2007, 09:22:09 am

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« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2007, 09:22:09 am »
In the Golf for example, everything but the passenger area flies to bits in an (typical, there are always extremes) accident attempting to soak up as much energy as possible.  I wouldn't feel as safe in a smart car no matter how rational/irrational the reasoning.
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Reply #26August 24, 2007, 09:30:01 am

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« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2007, 09:30:01 am »
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In the Golf for example, everything but the passenger area flies to bits in an (typical, there are always extremes) accident attempting to soak up as much energy as possible.  I wouldn't feel as safe in a smart car no matter how rational/irrational the reasoning.


I can understand that. It wasn't till we bought one that I realised how well designed it was. In tests it's better than the Mk 3 Golf. Of course the Mk 4 is a much better design from a crash test point of view.

Reply #27August 24, 2007, 10:01:02 am

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« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2007, 10:01:02 am »
I'm begnining to feel that is about the only area a MKIV is better (vs the III)...well maybe corrosion too.  

I'm sure the Smart is a dandy little car, perhaps once my kids have left the house I'll be able to get something small like that for my wife.  It'd be the perfect city run-a-bout
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Reply #28August 24, 2007, 01:53:46 pm

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Quote from: "Slave2School"
I'm begnining to feel that is about the only area a MKIV is better (vs the III)...well maybe corrosion too.  

I'm sure the Smart is a dandy little car, perhaps once my kids have left the house I'll be able to get something small like that for my wife.  It'd be the perfect city run-a-bout


I had a MK IV GT Tdi 140bhp DSG and I thought it was a great car, but I did like the MK III styling. A real classic. I just found it a bit too small after my Volvo 940 TD Estate. Traded the Golf for a Volvo XC90 D5 Tdi AWD in the end. Takes my daughters family as well as us, so saves taking two cars most of the time.

Reply #29August 24, 2007, 02:16:49 pm

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« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2007, 02:16:49 pm »
We don't get any cool cars here :(
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