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• #15 by Gizmoman on 03 Apr, 2013 20:37
• Quote from: libbydiesel on 03 Apr, 2013 10:26

  The TDI input shaft is different from the vanagon one.  That is why you need the WBX (waterboxer - gas vanagon) disc which will fit the TDI flywheel and pressure plate. 
  

  Got it, thanks
• #16 by libbydiesel on 03 Apr, 2013 21:18
• http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=549444
• #17 by Gizmoman on 03 Apr, 2013 21:35
• Just wanted to run this by everyone one more time. . .
  228 mm TDI FLYWHEEL -
  
  Website - http://www.fourseasontuning.com/product.php?id=931&product_code=028105269b.ess
  
  Vanagon 228 mm CLUTCH AND PRESSURE PLATE KIT  -
  Website - http://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/1989/volkswagen/vanagon/clutch/clutch_kit.html
  
  Don't want to be a PITA but - well, I guess I just am sometimes.
  
  Are these the bits required?
  The pressure plate looks beefier than what I have now and so does the disc.
  Hopefully I can get these on the way and stop bugging everyone with this.
• #18 by libbydiesel on 03 Apr, 2013 21:54
• What you need is the TDI/VR6/G60 flywheel and TDI/VR6/G60 pressure plate along with the WBX disc.  I do not think the WBX pressure plate will work, but I'd have to compare the WBX PP and the TDI one to recall why.  I think I have both in the parts bin, but I'd have to look.
  
  Flywheel:
  http://www.idparts.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=996
  
  Pressure plate:
  http://www.partsgeek.com/ss/?i=1&ssq=W0133-1612589&x=24&y=5
  
  Clutch disc:
  http://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/1989/volkswagen/vanagon/clutch/clutch_disc.html
  
  
• #19 by Gizmoman on 04 Apr, 2013 09:08
• OK, I was close anyway
  I am curious about the Valeo kit http://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/1989/volkswagen/vanagon/clutch/clutch_kit.html as it "appears" to be beefier than the Sachs.
  Can you check the compatibility if you get a chance? If not - understood. You've already walked me through this to a clear solution. Many thanks Libby.
  
  Also, I will be sure to remove the tabs from the pressure plate, and check bolt lengths and housing clearances.
  
  Cheers
  
  
• #20 by Syncroincity on 04 Apr, 2013 21:09
• You don't need to remove the tabs, just tap them down flush; you'll see it once you get it in your hands. While minor, it would create a slight imbalance in the PP if you grind them off.
  
  The bellhouse clearancing is also minor, just hold the flywheel in roughly where it resides and you'll see where it could interfere. You'll also need to take off a few mm's from the gear end of the starter... I can't remember exactly where; the tip or the flat edge, it will be apparent when you dry-fit the motor.
• #21 by Gizmoman on 05 Apr, 2013 08:06
• Quote from: Syncroincity on 04 Apr, 2013 21:09

  You don't need to remove the tabs, just tap them down flush; you'll see it once you get it in your hands. While minor, it would create a slight imbalance in the PP if you grind them off.
  
  The bellhouse clearancing is also minor, just hold the flywheel in roughly where it resides and you'll see where it could interfere. You'll also need to take off a few mm's from the gear end of the starter... I can't remember exactly where; the tip or the flat edge, it will be apparent when you dry-fit the motor.
  

  Noted.
  As for the Vanagon 228 mm pressure plate bolting up to the G60 flywheel , maybe I can get a local auto parts to get them so I can check fit at the counter. Not sure if they will do that but it beats ordering them and having to send it back if they don't match up.
  I am probably over-thinking everything here (again) but the Vanagon pressure plate just looks stronger than the Sachs G60.
  
  Also, thanks for the tip on the starter nose. Nothing worse than having to stab in a motor twice
• #22 by libbydiesel on 05 Apr, 2013 09:37
• The vanagon disc does work with the tdi/g60 flywheel and pressure plate provided you clearance the bell-housing and starter as outlined in the thread I linked.  I'm sure about that.  The only question I have is why the gas vanagon pressure plate doesn't work.  I believe the gasser flywheel is a different depth and the pressure plate matches it. 
• #23 by libbydiesel on 05 Apr, 2013 23:16
• I looked in my spare parts bin and it is quite obvious why the WBX PP will not work with the TDI flywheel.  The depth of the friction surface from the surface that the PP bolts to is twice as deep on the WBX, approx. 25mm vs 12.5mm on the TDI flywheel.
• #24 by R.O.R-2.0 on 06 Apr, 2013 01:27
• Quote from: burn_your_money on 01 Apr, 2013 14:16

  Where would one find this pilot bearing? Is it a common part or custom made?
  

  
  theres one in the end of the crank in my Jetta ;-p
• #25 by Gizmoman on 06 Apr, 2013 11:02
• Quote from: libbydiesel on 05 Apr, 2013 23:16

  I looked in my spare parts bin and it is quite obvious why the WBX PP will not work with the TDI flywheel.  The depth of the friction surface from the surface that the PP bolts to is twice as deep on the WBX, approx. 25mm vs 12.5mm on the TDI flywheel.
  

  Thanks Libby - I am now 331 bucks lighter
  
  Now I'll get back to fabbing the support bracket to brace the Laminova inter-cooler and K14/manifold to the block. This was a suggestion from a member and I'm heeding it.
  I'll post photos soon.
  
  Thanks again everyone!