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Reply #60January 31, 2013, 04:57:43 pm

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« Reply #60 on: January 31, 2013, 04:57:43 pm »
Good to know that its not unusual. But I wonder if there is a way to fix it even with using the v-belts.

Reply #61February 01, 2013, 09:56:58 am

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« Reply #61 on: February 01, 2013, 09:56:58 am »
I've known guys to convert to the one wire GM alternator that is widely available in any amperage one could want, it wasn't hard.
Personally I've had excellent service out of non-***ty-rebuilt Bosch pieces, the bearings last through several sets of brushes, might put a
voltage regulator in once over the life of the rotating assembly, and you can still buy bearings for them if you look around.
I've never run anything beyond a regular radio with a small amp and H4 headlights with fogs, and the stock 55amp or whatever it is
with a correctly sized stock battery has been fine in Oklahoma to North Carolina climates.  The blip is normal.  I even like it, because
right after the glow plugs cycle there is a large drain from the alternator (don't underestimate how much of a drain it can be) on the motor
and it'll lower the idle RPM even further, which is unpleasant on a very cold diesel.

A serpentine conversion would be nice, I've seen it done on an ABA, but not a diesel.  I assume the AAZ had that setup somewhere but I've
never seen it in any detail, the V belt setup is kinda meh on the old motors, but it works if you keep good belts on it and watch the tension.
Much like the input shaft bushing on the injection pump, you can and will wear out water pumps and alternators if you over-tighten the V belts.
Not to mention wear the belts out in no time.  There used to be tension gauges for V belts back when they were more common, and smart manufacturers
ran more than one V belt at a time (see borrowed Volvo 240 image below), the power steering is a single and MIA, but note the double alternator belts.
They last for ages.

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Reply #62February 01, 2013, 01:41:05 pm

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« Reply #62 on: February 01, 2013, 01:41:05 pm »
Good to know that its not unusual. But I wonder if there is a way to fix it even with using the v-belts.

its the alternator its self..

you HAVE TO change to a different alternator to make it excite instantly..

ive never found a way to make stock 65a, or 90a alternators charge instantly, they always take a throttle blip, some just take less than others..

the only way i know of, to get insta-charge, is to swap to a mk3 alternator, and serpentine drive setup..
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Reply #63February 01, 2013, 11:02:56 pm

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« Reply #63 on: February 01, 2013, 11:02:56 pm »
Good to know that its not unusual. But I wonder if there is a way to fix it even with using the v-belts.

its the alternator its self..

you HAVE TO change to a different alternator to make it excite instantly..

ive never found a way to make stock 65a, or 90a alternators charge instantly, they always take a throttle blip, some just take less than others..

the only way i know of, to get insta-charge, is to swap to a mk3 alternator, and serpentine drive setup..

No sir, I have a AHU in my 84 with its original charging system (120A serp alt) and it too requires a blip over 1200..

Big cables for power and ground to battery from the alt.

Reply #64February 04, 2013, 05:27:50 am

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« Reply #64 on: February 04, 2013, 05:27:50 am »
Good to know that its not unusual. But I wonder if there is a way to fix it even with using the v-belts.

its the alternator its self..

you HAVE TO change to a different alternator to make it excite instantly..

ive never found a way to make stock 65a, or 90a alternators charge instantly, they always take a throttle blip, some just take less than others..

the only way i know of, to get insta-charge, is to swap to a mk3 alternator, and serpentine drive setup..

No sir, I have a AHU in my 84 with its original charging system (120A serp alt) and it too requires a blip over 1200..

Big cables for power and ground to battery from the alt.

my 120 charges from 400rpm on up..

never have to blip my throttle...
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #65February 04, 2013, 11:57:21 am

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« Reply #65 on: February 04, 2013, 11:57:21 am »
I never had to blip the throttle with my 90amp serpentine alternator

Reply #66February 04, 2013, 01:27:16 pm

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« Reply #66 on: February 04, 2013, 01:27:16 pm »
I never had to blip the throttle with my 90amp serpentine alternator

Are the pulleys on your serpentine setup the same diameter as the V belt setup? The serpentine setup may be spinning faster due to different pulley diameter and slips less than a V belt setup, which may explain why you do not have to blip the throttle.

Reply #67February 04, 2013, 03:28:08 pm

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« Reply #67 on: February 04, 2013, 03:28:08 pm »
The serp alt pullies are much smaller meaning they should be spinning faster at idle, which would attribute to it not needing the blip..

Yet mine does, on a stock AHU serp setup.

Reply #68February 04, 2013, 04:09:21 pm

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« Reply #68 on: February 04, 2013, 04:09:21 pm »
The serp alt pullies are much smaller meaning they should be spinning faster at idle, which would attribute to it not needing the blip..

Yet mine does, on a stock AHU serp setup.

what i noticed, is that the harmonic balancer is larger than the stock crank pulley, and the alt pulley is smaller than the OEM unit..

so, yes, it is spinning the alt faster at idle..

weird that i dont have to blip to excite..
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #69February 04, 2013, 05:18:08 pm

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« Reply #69 on: February 04, 2013, 05:18:08 pm »
One way to eliminate the need to blip is to send switched 12v to the D+ terminal. That will defeat the LED indicator on the dash, but if you have a voltmeter, that ain't so bad.

OTOH, as some have noted, the extra load when the engine is just getting warmed up (and maybe running rough) might be better delayed until the engine warms a bit and smooths out.

Reply #70February 04, 2013, 05:32:31 pm

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« Reply #70 on: February 04, 2013, 05:32:31 pm »
might be better delayed until the engine warms a bit and smooths out.

Works well for my 1.6 TD and M-TDI ;)