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#15
by
R.O.R-2.0
on 12 Jan, 2013 14:26
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I have a generic cone on there right now, that is dirty as a donkey's aaaaaaassssssssss.. No noticeable effect on power from new to now.
I only have it for convenience and I don't have a stock mk1 diesel air box.
I run Mann filters on what I can, and for $3 why not? Either way, I see no gains to a K&N. I will not ever use one in my lifetime. A bandwagon I will not be on lol.
ghetto vato zone filters are junk..
K&N filters are NOT junk..
they are one of the best working filters ive ever had..
back in my wheelin days, i would have an air filter that was CLOGGED with mud, and the inside was spotless, along with the intake pipes..
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#16
by
homerj1
on 12 Jan, 2013 15:15
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I have a generic cone on there right now, that is dirty as a donkey's aaaaaaassssssssss.. No noticeable effect on power from new to now.
I only have it for convenience and I don't have a stock mk1 diesel air box.
I run Mann filters on what I can, and for $3 why not? Either way, I see no gains to a K&N. I will not ever use one in my lifetime. A bandwagon I will not be on lol.
ghetto vato zone filters are junk..
K&N filters are NOT junk..
they are one of the best working filters ive ever had..
back in my wheelin days, i would have an air filter that was CLOGGED with mud, and the inside was spotless, along with the intake pipes..
So, if I was going to buy a K&N filter, , what minimum size or surface area, shape (cone, oval?)
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#17
by
745 turbogreasel
on 12 Jan, 2013 16:58
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Go to the K&N website, look up the one for a turbo 1.6, and don't go smaller than that.
Be sure it sucks cold air, or you will end up with a performance loss.
The shape of the element is far less important than the ducting around it.
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#18
by
theman53
on 13 Jan, 2013 08:49
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#19
by
bajacalal
on 13 Jan, 2013 13:17
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I'm going against the grain by voting NAY on K&N filters (which are made right up the road from me). I speak from my own experiences.
I think they pass a lot of fine dust. Around here it's desert and there is a lot of fine dust. I've drive my VW on dirt roads. When I bought my Cummins truck, the previous owner put one on and I was very disappointed to find a fine layer of dust coating all the intercooler piping and such. I ripped it out and crushed it, so it couldn't do any more damage to another car. I don't think it hurt the engine that much but still, they're not a good idea for my use at least. The same thing happened on my Cherokee too when I tried one, like 10 years ago, I observed dust in my intake after using a K&N filter. The oil came out too and mixed with the dust which gummed up the throttle body requiring it to be removed for cleaning.
I do think they have a purpose, on a boat maybe (I've read they qualify as a flame arrestor) or race vehicle that doesn't see much use in dusty environments. But for the "real world" I don't like them. Give me a paper filter that catches everything even if it takes away 5 hp. If you live somewhere that isn't dusty at all, I think it might be OK.
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#20
by
theman53
on 13 Jan, 2013 16:20
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I have a generic cone on there right now, that is dirty as a donkey's aaaaaaassssssssss.. No noticeable effect on power from new to now.
I only have it for convenience and I don't have a stock mk1 diesel air box.
I run Mann filters on what I can, and for $3 why not? Either way, I see no gains to a K&N. I will not ever use one in my lifetime. A bandwagon I will not be on lol.
ghetto vato zone filters are junk..
K&N filters are NOT junk..
they are one of the best working filters ive ever had..
back in my wheelin days, i would have an air filter that was CLOGGED with mud, and the inside was spotless, along with the intake pipes..
So, if I was going to buy a K&N filter, , what minimum size or surface area, shape (cone, oval?)
The demands of our engines, pretty much any K&N will work.
Baj. I understand your deal, you have actually ran a K&N from what you say. I think you could have had this experience and if I had similar I would think that I would do the same as you. I have not however and think all should find out what the deal is for themselves.
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#21
by
745 turbogreasel
on 13 Jan, 2013 18:00
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My test environment
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#22
by
R.O.R-2.0
on 13 Jan, 2013 18:17
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I'm going against the grain by voting NAY on K&N filters (which are made right up the road from me). I speak from my own experiences.
I think they pass a lot of fine dust. Around here it's desert and there is a lot of fine dust. I've drive my VW on dirt roads. When I bought my Cummins truck, the previous owner put one on and I was very disappointed to find a fine layer of dust coating all the intercooler piping and such. I ripped it out and crushed it, so it couldn't do any more damage to another car. I don't think it hurt the engine that much but still, they're not a good idea for my use at least. The same thing happened on my Cherokee too when I tried one, like 10 years ago, I observed dust in my intake after using a K&N filter. The oil came out too and mixed with the dust which gummed up the throttle body requiring it to be removed for cleaning.
I do think they have a purpose, on a boat maybe (I've read they qualify as a flame arrestor) or race vehicle that doesn't see much use in dusty environments. But for the "real world" I don't like them. Give me a paper filter that catches everything even if it takes away 5 hp. If you live somewhere that isn't dusty at all, I think it might be OK.
if oiled PROPERLY... they will filter out 99.9% of all dust.. if your engine had dust in the intercooler and charge piping, then its because the PO didnt know how to properly clean and oil the filter..
he either used compressed air (and blew the gauze apart) on the filter, or didnt use sufficient oil...
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#23
by
8v-of-fury
on 13 Jan, 2013 22:44
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I think you've all coaxed me over, I'll be getting one when I build my cold air box in the passenger fender.
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#24
by
homerj1
on 14 Jan, 2013 04:51
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I think you've all coaxed me over, I'll be getting one when I build my cold air box in the passenger fender.
Can you elaborate a bit more about your design plans.
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#25
by
R.O.R-2.0
on 14 Jan, 2013 09:25
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I think you've all coaxed me over, I'll be getting one when I build my cold air box in the passenger fender.
Can you elaborate a bit more about your design plans.
build a shroud around the filter, to keep hot under-hood air from entering the filter. he wants to keep cold air available to his filter 100% of the time..
i imagine it will be somethin like a Neuspeed P-Flow intake..
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#26
by
8v-of-fury
on 14 Jan, 2013 13:22
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pretty much a vvery thin sheet metal (steel or alum) box that will allow the draw of air to be channeled up through the passenger side. Between the frame rail, and the inner fender is a nice little duct that pretty much goes straight down to the ground. Was figuring on building a box that incorporated this design as part of the ducting.
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#27
by
homerj1
on 14 Jan, 2013 17:23
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Thanks for all the help.
pretty much a vvery thin sheet metal (steel or alum) box that will allow the draw of air to be channeled up through the passenger side. Between the frame rail, and the inner fender is a nice little duct that pretty much goes straight down to the ground. Was figuring on building a box that incorporated this design as part of the ducting.
I was noticing that gap today. So you intent to build a box and vent it on the bottom to the "duct" or even better yet attach a hose to the bottom of the box and run it down and facing forwards - using a ram air type of effect?
also found this:
http://autospeed.com/cms/title_Building-and-Testing-an-Airbox/A_110281/article.html
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#28
by
homerj1
on 14 Jan, 2013 17:49
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Thanks for all the help.
pretty much a vvery thin sheet metal (steel or alum) box that will allow the draw of air to be channeled up through the passenger side. Between the frame rail, and the inner fender is a nice little duct that pretty much goes straight down to the ground. Was figuring on building a box that incorporated this design as part of the ducting.
I was noticing that gap today. So you intent to build a box and vent it on the bottom to the "duct" or even better yet attach a hose to the bottom of the box and run it down and facing forwards - using a ram air type of effect?
also found this: http://autospeed.com/cms/title_Building-and-Testing-an-Airbox/A_110281/article.html
opps this is the link -http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Airboxes.html
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#29
by
8v-of-fury
on 14 Jan, 2013 21:39
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even better yet attach a hose to the bottom of the box and run it down and facing forwards - using a ram air type of effect?
Gotta be careful, it'd probably be really easy to suck up some water that way! Mind you, will it get past the filter? Probably not.