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August 28, 2012, 12:31:40 am

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New Engine Shorting Out the Battery??
« on: August 28, 2012, 12:31:40 am »
Just replaced my engine. It runs well, but the battery is shorting out. New battery, new alternator, both check out perfect. When I hook up my multitester, take off my positive clamp, and but one lead on the battery terminal and one on the clamp, I am pulling 12.9 amps. When I pull one fuse at a time, nothing changes. When I unhook all electrical connections on the engine, one at a time, nothing changes. I have to unhook my battery at night to keep it from discharging :o

Any suggestions on the next step??
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Reply #1August 28, 2012, 05:40:40 am

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Re: New Engine Shorting Out the Battery??
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2012, 05:40:40 am »
Did you unhook the 12v power cable to the alternator? Did you pull all the relays?
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Reply #2August 28, 2012, 07:40:05 am

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Re: New Engine Shorting Out the Battery??
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2012, 07:40:05 am »
Sounds like you're on the right track, you just need to move further upstream. I'm not sure on a MK 2 but on mine there's a single wire that provides power to the fuse box, hooks up to the 'H' terminal IIRC. If you could disconnect that you could eliminate the fuse box and most of the wiring. I'd also pull the wire off the starter to see if that's where the problem lies.
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Reply #3August 28, 2012, 10:41:01 am

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Re: New Engine Shorting Out the Battery??
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2012, 10:41:01 am »
I'd also pull the wire off the starter to see if that's where the problem lies.

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Reply #4August 28, 2012, 09:23:48 pm

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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2012, 09:23:48 pm »
12A Jesus!

I had 1.16A kill my battery over a 24 hour span.. 12A.. that is brutal.

Reply #5August 29, 2012, 05:21:03 pm

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Re: New Engine Shorting Out the Battery??
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2012, 05:21:03 pm »
Ok, I haven't pulled my relays yet. I have pulled my starter wire. I'm not sure about where the 12 volt main wire is??
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Reply #6August 30, 2012, 01:11:52 am

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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2012, 01:11:52 am »
In some cars I've seen them come off the starter relay instead of right off the battery, but if you've pulled your starter wire you've eliminated whatever comes off of there. What I would do is disconnect every wire that comes off the positive side of the battery one at a time until the amperage draw goes away and then you'll have it narrowed down to one particular circuit. Then you can start tracing it out and see where it goes. Bentley wiring schematic would be very helpful for that part if you have it.
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Reply #7August 30, 2012, 03:29:52 pm

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Re: New Engine Shorting Out the Battery??
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2012, 03:29:52 pm »
I suspect that the alternator has a shorted diode. The easy way to check that is to hook up the battery on a cold car and check back in 1/2 an hour. If the alternator is warm, you have found the problems.

Reply #8August 31, 2012, 03:33:26 pm

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Re: New Engine Shorting Out the Battery??
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2012, 03:33:26 pm »
Hmmmm interesting!! I will check it out. I pulled all of the relays under the dash, but it keeps pulling 12.8-12.9. The alternator was rebuilt and put in with the motor a month ago.
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Reply #9August 31, 2012, 03:37:59 pm

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Re: New Engine Shorting Out the Battery??
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2012, 03:37:59 pm »
Ok, I haven't pulled my relays yet. I have pulled my starter wire. I'm not sure about where the 12 volt main wire is??

the main power feed is one of the 2 smaller power wires off the battery.. i believe one is for the glow plug system, and the other is for the fuse panel..
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Reply #10August 31, 2012, 04:41:38 pm

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« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2012, 04:41:38 pm »
Ok ty, I have definitely pulled that!!
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Reply #11August 31, 2012, 06:21:26 pm

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Re: New Engine Shorting Out the Battery??
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2012, 06:21:26 pm »
Hmmmm interesting!! I will check it out. I pulled all of the relays under the dash, but it keeps pulling 12.8-12.9. The alternator was rebuilt and put in with the motor a month ago.

Just because it is new doesn't mean it isn't a problem, especially electrical stuff. I just wonder for 12amps if something wasn't hooked in backwards or something crazy.

Reply #12September 01, 2012, 10:32:18 am

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Re: New Engine Shorting Out the Battery??
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2012, 10:32:18 am »
Anything is possible, since I did it myself ::)
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Reply #13September 02, 2012, 09:46:30 pm

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Re: New Engine Shorting Out the Battery??
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2012, 09:46:30 pm »
Did you ever check to see if the alternator is warm on a cold engine?

Reply #14September 03, 2012, 11:39:11 am

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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2012, 11:39:11 am »
I`ll check (unhook)starter motor and when alt.
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