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Reply #15August 05, 2012, 02:44:28 am

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« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2012, 02:44:28 am »
Cheers,

Thanks for the advice....much appreciated....

Reply #16August 05, 2012, 06:40:21 am

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« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2012, 06:40:21 am »
What low pressure pump is good to get?

Reply #17August 05, 2012, 08:05:17 am

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« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2012, 08:05:17 am »
Oh, got to ask....
Nozzle upgardes...now i know a lot of you will say dont bother on an idi but put that aside...

What is out there in terms of an upgrade?

Reply #18August 05, 2012, 08:05:43 am

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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2012, 08:05:43 am »
GTD

Reply #19August 06, 2012, 09:20:20 am

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« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2012, 09:20:20 am »
So a solid shim caused this? Over how many miles? I made a solid shim but have not installed it yet. Do you advise against solid shims now? Will you be updating your gov mod thread?


Shimmed the govnor about 5mm, think it needs to be solid?

Solid causes this ;). Ask me how I know.




Reply #20August 07, 2012, 01:23:23 pm

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« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2012, 01:23:23 pm »
Are GTD nozzles larger than Peugeot XUD?..

Mine are DN0SD306

If that means anything..

Reply #21August 07, 2012, 03:46:36 pm

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« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2012, 03:46:36 pm »
I don't think it has to do with "bigger" as the mercedes nozzles are bigger. I think it is the way it atomizes fuel...and they cost 10x more for the GTD.

Reply #22August 07, 2012, 04:11:41 pm

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« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2012, 04:11:41 pm »
the number on the nozzle has to do with the spray pattern, not the flow rate..

peugeot and mercedes injectors have the wrong shaped spray pattern for a VW pre-chamber..
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Reply #23August 07, 2012, 06:31:44 pm

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« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2012, 06:31:44 pm »
So a solid shim caused this? Over how many miles? I made a solid shim but have not installed it yet. Do you advise against solid shims now? Will you be updating your gov mod thread?

Well come to think back on it, I did have a modified control lever as can be seen, so things were at a different geometry than stock.. Maybe 6000kms on that lever before it broke. Honestly, I'd only shim it about 5 or 6/32's that is what I did to my bros AAZ for a trial and it runs NAILS.

Reply #24August 08, 2012, 07:26:47 am

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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2012, 07:26:47 am »
i put xud 1.9td injectors in my 1.6 td golf and she ran sweet, beter than the std vw injectors i had in
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Reply #25August 08, 2012, 10:37:29 am

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« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2012, 10:37:29 am »
i put xud 1.9td injectors in my 1.6 td golf and she ran sweet, beter than the std vw injectors i had in

i bet some nice rebuild OEM vw injectors would have ran BETTER..

im gonna say it again.. the pug/merc injectors are the WRONG SPRAY PATTERN for the VW pre-cup..

ive seen the pre-cups in the pug and merc engines.. they are HUGE compared to our dinky lil things..

so, i imagine the spray pattern is huge as well, to match the cup..
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #26August 08, 2012, 12:47:44 pm

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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2012, 12:47:44 pm »
i put xud 1.9td injectors in my 1.6 td golf and she ran sweet, beter than the std vw injectors i had in

i bet some nice rebuild OEM vw injectors would have ran BETTER..

im gonna say it again.. the pug/merc injectors are the WRONG SPRAY PATTERN for the VW pre-cup..

ive seen the pre-cups in the pug and merc engines.. they are HUGE compared to our dinky lil things..

so, i imagine the spray pattern is huge as well, to match the cup..

i don't know what style cup the pugs had but the mercedes injectors shoot all the fuel at this hot ball of metal in the center of the prechamber.  i think the mercedes nozzles probably have more of a direct straight shooting prechamber.  the swirl chamber we have doesn't need such a spray pattern, for us probably the best thing is just that it sprays evenly and atomizes decently.
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Reply #27August 08, 2012, 12:57:13 pm

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« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2012, 12:57:13 pm »
i put xud 1.9td injectors in my 1.6 td golf and she ran sweet, beter than the std vw injectors i had in

i bet some nice rebuild OEM vw injectors would have ran BETTER..

im gonna say it again.. the pug/merc injectors are the WRONG SPRAY PATTERN for the VW pre-cup..

ive seen the pre-cups in the pug and merc engines.. they are HUGE compared to our dinky lil things..

so, i imagine the spray pattern is huge as well, to match the cup..

i don't know what style cup the pugs had but the mercedes injectors shoot all the fuel at this hot ball of metal in the center of the prechamber.  i think the mercedes nozzles probably have more of a direct straight shooting prechamber.  the swirl chamber we have doesn't need such a spray pattern, for us probably the best thing is just that it sprays evenly and atomizes decently.

pugs had almost identical precups to the merc.. least the 504/505 pugs (XD2(s) engines..
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #28August 08, 2012, 12:58:31 pm

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« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2012, 12:58:31 pm »
the pug injectors have DNS 0251 nozzles btw..
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #29August 08, 2012, 02:15:18 pm

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« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2012, 02:15:18 pm »
i ran Mercedes nozzles on my 1.6,but to use veg oil without much strain (being the hole bigger) but i haven't feel gains or loss in performance.
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