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May 05, 2012, 04:07:08 pm

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1.9td swap.. Tach question
« on: May 05, 2012, 04:07:08 pm »
My dad has an 1991 Vw golf.. And the car out of the factory was a 1.6D, but 14 years or so ago.. My dad swapped the 1.6d out to a 1.6td... And he got the tach to work perfect... Now 14 years later... Which was today... We pulled out the 1.6td out.. And threw in a 1.9td! But.. For some crazy reason.. The tach is no longer accurate! On idle with the chock in, it reads 1500 rpm.. And with the chock pulled out on idle, the rpm reads 2000! We double checked everything, and looks perfect! The only thing, I can come up with is, the pulley on the 1.6 v belt system was bigger, and the pulley on the 1.9td is smaller...  Could that be my issue? If so, can a resistor or something installed in that wire so it shows a correct-ish reading?

Did anyone else have this issue?
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Reply #1May 05, 2012, 05:15:46 pm

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Re: 1.9td swap.. Tach question
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2012, 05:15:46 pm »
I would start off with the alternator pulley, since it is a smaller size. This would in turn rotate more then a larger one tricking the tach, telling it the motor is at a higher rpm then it actually is.
You will need to swap pulleys or alternators to get the right size for an accurate reading.
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Reply #2May 05, 2012, 07:24:20 pm

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Re: 1.9td swap.. Tach question
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2012, 07:24:20 pm »
I can't change the pulley sizes.. Since the 1.9td has a serp set up... And the 1.6td had v belt system... :(
87 Audi 5000S Quattro Turbo Diesel (the car I want to light on fire everyday)
99 Beetle TDI (the beater)
99.5 Cabrio  (the innocent one)

Reply #3May 05, 2012, 09:44:14 pm

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Re: 1.9td swap.. Tach question
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2012, 09:44:14 pm »
I would shoot smokeyEddy a pm, I beleive he has an AAZ in a mk2 jetta. Unless its a 1.6/1.9 head. See what he did or has to say.
If not im sure someone else out there has a bit more knowledge about this that I do
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Reply #4May 06, 2012, 10:23:39 am

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Re: 1.9td swap.. Tach question
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2012, 10:23:39 am »
Without adjusting the pulley sizes, you'll need to find a way to reduce the number of pulses from the W terminal of the Alt.

The only thing I've ever come across was here: Dakota Digital LINK

I can confirm, it works great!

Reply #5May 06, 2012, 10:47:27 am

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Re: 1.9td swap.. Tach question
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2012, 10:47:27 am »
U gotta pull the cluster apart and there's a potentiometer on the tachometers circuit board that needs adjusted
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Reply #6May 06, 2012, 11:23:14 am

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Re: 1.9td swap.. Tach question
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2012, 11:23:14 am »
It will look something like this bu probably has three leads on it

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Reply #7May 08, 2012, 08:18:18 pm

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Re: 1.9td swap.. Tach question
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2012, 08:18:18 pm »
It will look something like this bu probably has three leads on it



Thanks.. I'll check it probbly tomorrow.. Where can I find it in the cluster? On the blue printed circuit.. or ?
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Reply #8May 09, 2012, 01:06:42 pm

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Re: 1.9td swap.. Tach question
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2012, 01:06:42 pm »
its on the pcb behind the face of the tach, its on the passenger side of the cluster
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Reply #9May 09, 2012, 05:19:39 pm

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Re: 1.9td swap.. Tach question
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2012, 05:19:39 pm »
its on the pcb behind the face of the tach, its on the passenger side of the cluster

on my tachs, its on the BACK of the unit, accessible thru a hole in the back of the cluster..
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Reply #10May 10, 2012, 04:26:12 am

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Re: 1.9td swap.. Tach question
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2012, 04:26:12 am »
its on the pcb behind the face of the tach, its on the passenger side of the cluster

on my tachs, its on the BACK of the unit, accessible thru a hole in the back of the cluster..

that could be i've only ever had mk1 stuff apart
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Reply #11May 10, 2012, 10:46:23 am

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Re: 1.9td swap.. Tach question
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2012, 10:46:23 am »
its on the pcb behind the face of the tach, its on the passenger side of the cluster

on my tachs, its on the BACK of the unit, accessible thru a hole in the back of the cluster..

that could be i've only ever had mk1 stuff apart

and ive only dealt with mk2/3 lol..
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #12May 11, 2012, 12:31:50 am

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Re: 1.9td swap.. Tach question
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2012, 12:31:50 am »
does anyboby knows if passat 35i have that adjustement?
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Reply #13May 11, 2012, 08:33:42 am

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Re: 1.9td swap.. Tach question
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2012, 08:33:42 am »
i would think that they do, especially if it was originally a diesel.  the newer gas stuff has the tachometer driven by the computer
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Reply #14May 14, 2012, 12:25:53 pm

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Re: 1.9td swap.. Tach question
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2012, 12:25:53 pm »
its on the pcb behind the face of the tach, its on the passenger side of the cluster

on my tachs, its on the BACK of the unit, accessible thru a hole in the back of the cluster..

When I was using a Mark II tach to read my AAZ engine speed, I found that the tach's built-in potentiometer did not have enough adjustment range to get the revs low enough to be accurate.

I had to add a resistor to make it work properly:

http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=12589.0