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#15
by
745 turbogreasel
on 30 Apr, 2012 23:33
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Need a catch tray in case you spill.
Where's the vent?
You will feel a tug from fuel slosh mid corner.
Looks like pretty nice stuff, are you doing hose in a hose style?
100% worth it to not skimp on fittings.
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#16
by
bbob203
on 01 May, 2012 06:40
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i like the idea of having options for other fuels. ya know like... hydraulic fluid, atf, motor oil, vo, wvo, diesel, biodiesel, the list continues. I feel like having and old diesel is apocalypse proof transportation. you could scrounge up fuel from just about anywhere.
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#17
by
ORCoaster
on 01 May, 2012 17:27
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Need a catch tray in case you spill.
Where's the vent?
You will feel a tug from fuel slosh mid corner.
Looks like pretty nice stuff, are you doing hose in a hose style?
100% worth it to not skimp on fittings.
1. Yes Catch tray but not so big to contain all 13 gallons. I know this can get messy. Looking for a 2 in deep rubber mat or something like it.
2.Four holes in top, two 1/2 inchers for coolant in and out, 1 3/8th is for fuel out and the other 1/4 is for return line from IP pump. I will be using a closed system on the WVO side with a purge cycle prior to shutdown so I won't return WVO to the tank. Instead I am venting the tank with line to tie into diesel vent line.
3. No slosh in this tank. It was constructed with 4 interior baffles that go from top to bottom and side to side. There are small triangle cutouts in the bottom corners to allow flow of fuel across the bottom of the tank.
4. Not doing HIH style hookup as the guy I bought the tank from already gave me 25 feet of that Parker hose and fittings. I am not wild about surrounding my fuel that is sensitive to water with a water jacket. I plan on splitting the engine coolant and the tank coolant. Using 1 of 2 FPHE with a small 12 vdc pump to move the coolant to the fuel tank and when the oil temp gets up to 140 at the firewall the pump shuts off. Simple Termo switch in line with pump. I also will wrap the hot hose side with the oil line in a space blanket wrap and insulate slightly. I don't expect to lose much heat once it warms up.
5. Between Grainger and Home Depot I think I have most of the fittings I will need at the best price I can find. The local hardware store is way to high.
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#18
by
RustyCaddy
on 07 May, 2012 00:07
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1. Yes Catch tray but not so big to contain all 13 gallons. I know this can get messy. Looking for a 2 in deep rubber mat or something like it.
2.Four holes in top, two 1/2 inchers for coolant in and out, 1 3/8th is for fuel out and the other 1/4 is for return line from IP pump. I will be using a closed system on the WVO side with a purge cycle prior to shutdown so I won't return WVO to the tank. Instead I am venting the tank with line to tie into diesel vent line.
3. No slosh in this tank. It was constructed with 4 interior baffles that go from top to bottom and side to side. There are small triangle cutouts in the bottom corners to allow flow of fuel across the bottom of the tank.
4. Not doing HIH style hookup as the guy I bought the tank from already gave me 25 feet of that Parker hose and fittings. I am not wild about surrounding my fuel that is sensitive to water with a water jacket. I plan on splitting the engine coolant and the tank coolant. Using 1 of 2 FPHE with a small 12 vdc pump to move the coolant to the fuel tank and when the oil temp gets up to 140 at the firewall the pump shuts off. Simple Termo switch in line with pump. I also will wrap the hot hose side with the oil line in a space blanket wrap and insulate slightly. I don't expect to lose much heat once it warms up.
5. Between Grainger and Home Depot I think I have most of the fittings I will need at the best price I can find. The local hardware store is way to high.
Saw you had installed the system this weekend.
Please let us know how the dual FPHE's work...good idea; is there a loss of heat from the engine loop to the veg heat loop?
Are you going to use any electrical heat like a vegtherm or injector line heaters?
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#19
by
ORCoaster
on 07 May, 2012 12:59
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Saw you had installed the system this weekend.
Please let us know how the dual FPHE's work...good idea; is there a loss of heat from the engine loop to the veg heat loop?
Are you going to use any electrical heat like a vegtherm or injector line heaters?
Well I got a start on it. Pictures still on the camera. Should probably start a thread on it. If time allows. Stop drop/jacking threads here and there.
I went with the dual FPHE's for a couple of reasons. I needed to have heat up front going to the IP, no brainer there right? So I could have gone with a coolant heater on the final filter but I think that will suck a lot of the heat out warming up the oil and I would not be at the 160 plus I need for dumping into the cold IP. Yes the oil will sit at the injectors before it gets shot in there but will it act like it is supposed to without getting it real hot first. I plan to have a temp. gauge at the IP so I know when I am at 160 or not.
Most people go Hose in Hose to warm the oil and have a heated tank. I am not wanting to have that much risk of blowing a hose and not having a functional engine. So I split that heater method with a second FPHE and throw on a pump to circulate it to the tank.
I don't want electric heaters as they build up crap on them, demand the alternator to work and the engine heat is free. Well at least only the cost of the FPHE.
More later.
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#20
by
RustyCaddy
on 07 May, 2012 20:37
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i should stop the hijacking too...but my limited experience has a heated fuel pickup the tank but the tank of oil seems to be a big 'ol heat sink or something, even with a FTPE up front it isn't getting to 160F.
Hope your dual FTPE's cures that
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#21
by
745 turbogreasel
on 08 May, 2012 00:37
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FWIW, I checked today (it was fairly warm) burning unheated diesel with fuel return in effect;
Rotor head 140F
Injector pipes 155F
Injectors 190F
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#22
by
RustyCaddy
on 08 May, 2012 20:31
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FWIW, I checked today (it was fairly warm) burning unheated diesel with fuel return in effect;
Rotor head 140F
Injector pipes 155F
Injectors 190F
Thanks!
That is good to know. The owner of Greasecar says that the injector is the final heater...looks true from your measurements.
WVO makes my injectors noisy, may be the pump is too advanced at 1.00 for WVO (its an old 107A), and the idle really drops after switching back to diesel/bio and purging the system?
Sorry about the hijack
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#23
by
bbob203
on 08 May, 2012 23:26
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hijack away
I like open conversation like this gives me new ideas and answers questions.
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#24
by
ORCoaster
on 09 May, 2012 07:06
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I have some questions regarding SVO.
What kind of price are you expecting to pay for unused vegetable oil? And where do you get large quantities such that you are not opening 10 or 12 individual gallon containers every time you need to fuel up?
I have looked at some of those restaurant supply places but didn't come up with anything of interest.
So where are you getting the oil especially if you go long distance to a place that has no source on the other side?
Waste Veggie Oil minds want to know.
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#25
by
745 turbogreasel
on 09 May, 2012 11:50
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I never paid a dime, use an 'IBC tote' and a 2.5hp gas pump.
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#26
by
ORCoaster
on 09 May, 2012 20:31
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So Turbo You are actually running used oil correct? Most of the places around my neck of the woods have started to lock their oil as it now is a product they sell to a collector. No more free oil to be had. Places that collect the oil provide lockable bins or barrels and they don't allow dipping out of them. With the store security camera pointing at the garbage bins it doesn't make much sense to get nabbed for some grimy oil and get hauled to court for stealing.
Anyone running on SVO? If so what is the going rate for Rape or Sunflower oil in bulk?
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#27
by
745 turbogreasel
on 09 May, 2012 23:46
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It's all about talking to people at the restaurant, and showing you can collect without ever spilling a drop.
Best if you have an insider, as they can eliminate 98% of crap in the stream with minor handling changes.
It was easier when the tallow companies charged by the drum to haul the stuff away.
I haven't been puting in the time lately, but I ran probably close to 30K on WVO.
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#28
by
RustyCaddy
on 10 May, 2012 02:09
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Anyone running on SVO? If so what is the going rate for Rape or Sunflower oil in bulk?
Try Kit at:
seed-oil.com
Grant Pass
He is a good guy but you are looking at $3.75/gal for sunflower or camelina oil in 50 gallon lots. Diluting high titating WVO with virgin SVO is one way to bring the titration numbers down (for the WVO mixture).